bc6152

Everyone will know which engine is going and which is coming for 2025 in a few months. At this point it's all speculation and no one knows. Seems Toyota is keeping it a big secret. Happy that I have my 2019 UL that I bought for $49,500.00..

tfischer

bc: that price you paid ($49,500.00) for your '19 ES UL looks very good today. I just paid a lot more for my '24 350 UL, but I will surely keep it for a nice long time. (I kept my previous two Lexus cars for 14 and 9 years, and they held their value very nicely.)

bc6152

Yeah, my 2019 isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Just turned 12,000 miles today (Sunday). I drive the boss's Honda a lot and during the summer my 25 Y.O. Corvette roadster. Had it out today being 82F and sunny...
Good Luck with the '24...

mikemu30

12k miles five plus years - nice. I'm at 72 but it's my daily driver. Driving wife's new RX hybrid on weekends.

703

Probably will be replaced by this as a BEV, as seen in the Lexus / Toyota press in Dec 2021.



There are really no new surprises. Toyota have shown all their cards.

ATL350

The auto makers are sure coming up with some really ugly wheels these days.

E46CT

I think those wheels on the concept look nice.^ Not every wheel needs to be CSL track day 5 star spokes bro. (like the car in back) i can appreciate some unique flavorful aesthetic. if you see what they did with the paint, quite clever. highlighting certain parts, masking others using color.

mikemu30

Toyota direction on EV/Hybrids:

https://carbuzz.com/new-toyota-camry...-in-the-world/

E46CT

I was making the argument for hybrids (vs the Camry or any other car having both a full ICE AND hybrid option) to my friend yesterday. He really dislikes hybrids. His reason "what if the battery dies." My response..uhh... what if your dinosaur boat anchor transmission dies? At least the battery is cheap (assuming it dies) and can be installed fast under the seat, unlike a transmission which might require a few days and extensive labor. I told him there's no reason to have ICE only in a car like Camry. I also made the case for the Honda hybrid system which car care nut says is even smoother and more refined than Toyota's.

then he goes.. i'm at the age where i don't want to be working on cars... then i go.. uh.. that's precisely why you get a hybrid over a standard ICE only car. the excuses just go on and on. i think internally there's a 'i'm a manly man, i'm not driving no hybrid" but that sounds bad, so they come up with excuses.

I think it's a good choice for Toyota to drop the boat anchor transmission. all the more reason the writing is on the wall against 8ES having a V6 carryover.

LexusForever

I hope for my sake that's gonna be the 26 model and they'll have the 25 model roughly the same.

mikemu30

I'm officially a convert on hybrids. The ride in the new RX is a beautiful thing and nearly 40 mpg so far.

dezymond

Many people, especially the older generation, are scarred by the horror stories of hybrids from when they first started popping up. I would say rightfully so, BUT with any new technology, it gets better and better.

Heck, I haven't even owned my car 2 years yet and the other day my dad asks "what about your hybrid battery? How long is the warranty and isn't it like $10k to replace?". No....not the case anymore and hasn't been for a long time. No problems for him wanting the latest phone, computer, TV, etc. But when it comes to cars, he might as well just drive a Ford Model T.

scubapr

Most people are afraid of the reliability and performance of hybrids. I was one of them. If I had test drive the 300h in ECO mode only, I would not have liked it. However, in Normal and specially in Sport mode the hybrid has V6 comparable wheel power/torque; unless you plan 1/4 mile or F&F highway driving. They just need to put a stronger battery/motor & up the performance to win some of the V6 only folks.

I don't mind much about the carbon footprint vs Lithium; or gas savings vs premium hybrid cost (both debatable). But getting consistently 39-48mpg (Sport/Eco) result in fewer gas fill-up stops; which I do like. The only thing that I do hate of the 300h is the occasional brake boost/recharge sound in a otherwise noise free EV cabin.

The Car Care Nut recently posted a video in which he discusses how the current Toyota Hybrids are somewhat more reliable that their ICE counterpart.

LexusForever

I'd be all over a Lexus sedan ES or IS if they went to a hybrid equivalent of its V6 type in terms of performance.

E46CT

The NX450h is said to do 0-60 in 5.6. That could be the equivalent, a plug in ES using the Rav4 Prime powertrain.