0-20w Pennzoil Ultra Platinum vs 0-16w Amsoil?
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I do have a lot of respect for people that work on engines such as Car Care Nut. But I am not sure why these people automatically become lubrication specialists? Are they engineers that design these engines or study fluid dynamics inside the engine? Being good with your hands and having lots of experience fixing engines does not automatically make you any more knowledgeable about oil.
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Sorry Fred, but that's the worst list of references ever! There is no testing data or comparison of additives. Most, if not all are simply marketing. Much is outdated. The only credible source, Car and Driver, picked Mobil 1 as number one for just three makes only, and Car and Driver is in the advertising business where they get paid to hawk these products! One of your sources, CNET, had a disclaimer at the top saying "If you buy through our links, we may get a commission," hardly non-bias!
Just saying, if you really want to convince yourself and others Mobil 1 is number one, you need to do your homework and come up with some independent testing to lend credence to your position.
I used Mobil 1 for decades when there wasn't information on line, and not a lot of competition in the premium oil market. Now we have the opportunity to dig deeper, and new innovative products are emerging constantly. Two-year-old trade-magazine reviews aren't all that helpful.
Just saying, if you really want to convince yourself and others Mobil 1 is number one, you need to do your homework and come up with some independent testing to lend credence to your position.
I used Mobil 1 for decades when there wasn't information on line, and not a lot of competition in the premium oil market. Now we have the opportunity to dig deeper, and new innovative products are emerging constantly. Two-year-old trade-magazine reviews aren't all that helpful.
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Sorry Fred, but that's the worst list of references ever! There is no testing data or comparison of additives. Most, if not all are simply marketing. Much is outdated. The only credible source, Car and Driver, picked Mobil 1 as number one for just three makes only, and Car and Driver is in the advertising business where they get paid to hawk these products! One of your sources, CNET, had a disclaimer at the top saying "If you buy through our links, we may get a commission," hardly non-bias!
Just saying, if you really want to convince yourself and others Mobil 1 is number one, you need to do your homework and come up with some independent testing to lend credence to your position.
I used Mobil 1 for decades when there wasn't information on line, and not a lot of competition in the premium oil market. Now we have the opportunity to dig deeper, and new innovative products are emerging constantly. Two-year-old trade-magazine reviews aren't all that helpful.
Just saying, if you really want to convince yourself and others Mobil 1 is number one, you need to do your homework and come up with some independent testing to lend credence to your position.
I used Mobil 1 for decades when there wasn't information on line, and not a lot of competition in the premium oil market. Now we have the opportunity to dig deeper, and new innovative products are emerging constantly. Two-year-old trade-magazine reviews aren't all that helpful.
Last edited by Freds430; 06-29-24 at 10:36 AM.
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Those motor oil ratings are not based on scientific tests which makes them useless might as well post Amazon reviews.
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1) There's a profit incentive in recommending thinner oil in America. To avoid getting bogged down in details, the EPA fuel economy tests require that you test the car in exactly the state you plan to sell it (oil weight, tires, everything). They also require that the manufacturer then tell the customer to use the exact same oil used for the test. Thinner oil fractionall reduces friction resistance and thus yields a tiny improvement in test MPG. Carmakers' ability to sell more profitable, lower-mileage vehicles, and/or their ability to avoid paying crippling fines for violation, depend on these test results. So, thinner oil recommendations = profits.
2) Thicker oil is often recommended in countries with hotter weather like Australia. The "W" in oil ratings stands for "Winter." Oil naturally thickens like molasses in the cold. Thicker oil is fine when it's hot outside. Thin oil is fine when it's cold. But for operation in a range of temperatures—i.e., real-world use—you want both. A 0W-20 oil is one whose viscosity (thickness) modifiers make it run like a thinner 0-weight oil would in winter, and like a thicker 20 weight oil when it's warm. The greater the difference, the more versatile the oil to remain usefl over a wide range of temperatures. (This is why the dawn of multi-grade oils was a great leap forward, and why the even more versatile and durable synthetics were another one.) It's also why 5W-30 is perfectly suitable in Sydney, while Toyota might recommend 0W-16 instead in the same car for Calgary.
That help?
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Also, the manual uses languages such as “recommended viscosity”, if this was so important, the lawyers would have changed it to “required” viscosity. Nobody says they know more than Toyota, if Toyota wanted this to be super important they would change the manual
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These engines have so tight tolerances that they can run on 0W8 oil. You should know that the difference in thickness between 0W8 and 0W16 and 0W20 is very small. Some people think that 0W16 is two times thicker than 0W8 which is not true
It is important to know that any engine that has no oil pressure problems is adequately lubricated and there will not be any kind of wear.
It seems like you are not aware how ICE engines work. Also, you don't know what the oil does inside the engine. No problem with that. The problem is when you want to teach the others about something that you have no knowledge about.
Personally, I work on cars, I have tear down a lot of engines and I know one or two about them.
When 0W20 came out and Toyota was recommending it for 2GR-FE engine, people went crazy. After almost 20 years these engine run perfectly fine with 0 wear.
It is important to know that any engine that has no oil pressure problems is adequately lubricated and there will not be any kind of wear.
It seems like you are not aware how ICE engines work. Also, you don't know what the oil does inside the engine. No problem with that. The problem is when you want to teach the others about something that you have no knowledge about.
Personally, I work on cars, I have tear down a lot of engines and I know one or two about them.
When 0W20 came out and Toyota was recommending it for 2GR-FE engine, people went crazy. After almost 20 years these engine run perfectly fine with 0 wear.
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You can use 0W20 until ne next oil change but you can put Mobil 1 0w16 from Walmart.
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