All-new 2019 Lexus ES to debut at Beijing Motorshow
04-18-18, 07:13 PM
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04-18-18, 07:29 PM
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04-18-18, 07:30 PM
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04-18-18, 07:40 PM
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This would make sense for Lexus to want to tap into this competition and take some sales for themselves.
04-18-18, 08:14 PM
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04-18-18, 10:31 PM
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Even though it’s in the same price range as the A4, 3er and C-class I don’t think those buyers in the market for a compact sport sedan will be too interested in a practically full-size luxury sedan. There is a big difference in length, width and driving dynamics when comparing these tiny sedans to the very commodious ES Lexus. It’s a nice car I see it more like stealing sales from the Genesis G80, Buick LaCrosse, Volvo S90, and probably putting a final stake in the heart of the Acura RLX.
04-18-18, 11:16 PM
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Even though it’s in the same price range as the A4, 3er and C-class I don’t think those buyers in the market for a compact sport sedan will be too interested in a practically full-size luxury sedan. There is a big difference in length, width and driving dynamics when comparing these tiny sedans to the very commodious ES Lexus. It’s a nice car I see it more like stealing sales from the Genesis G80, Buick LaCrosse, Volvo S90, and probably putting a final stake in the heart of the Acura RLX.
Highrev6 said it perfectly - it has to do with the driving dynamics. The Lexus ES is a transverse FWD while the A4 is longitudinal FWD and the 3/C is RWD.
That being said - the Lexus ES will do amazing in sales because its a nice car. But it'll take sales away from cars in a different market.
04-19-18, 01:10 AM
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04-19-18, 01:25 AM
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Even though it’s in the same price range as the A4, 3er and C-class I don’t think those buyers in the market for a compact sport sedan will be too interested in a practically full-size luxury sedan. There is a big difference in length, width and driving dynamics when comparing these tiny sedans to the very commodious ES Lexus. It’s a nice car I see it more like stealing sales from the Genesis G80, Buick LaCrosse, Volvo S90, and probably putting a final stake in the heart of the Acura RLX.
Agreed. Even though they are roughly the same price (I say roughly because the A4 loaded will be cheaper than the ES loaded and depending on the 3 Series/C-Class you might floating around the same price as the ES), the ES is in a different market compared to the A4, 3 Series and C-Class. The Lexus IS is in the same competition as the A4, 3 Series and C-Class.
Highrev6 said it perfectly - it has to do with the driving dynamics. The Lexus ES is a transverse FWD while the A4 is longitudinal FWD and the 3/C is RWD.
That being said - the Lexus ES will do amazing in sales because its a nice car. But it'll take sales away from cars in a different market.
Highrev6 said it perfectly - it has to do with the driving dynamics. The Lexus ES is a transverse FWD while the A4 is longitudinal FWD and the 3/C is RWD.
That being said - the Lexus ES will do amazing in sales because its a nice car. But it'll take sales away from cars in a different market.
IS is shorter more sporty and "fun to drive" while the ES is larger, more comfy and "luxurious". The ES is size is closer to the E class than the C class but on price is it the C class instead of the E class.
I think it's got a good poisoning and people will certainly appreciate having a larger car without getting into E class price point.
They way I look at it its that oftentimes I think about the IS as a sort of 4 Series Gran Coupe A5 sportback instead of an actual A4 or 3 Series.
04-19-18, 01:31 AM
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True. The average buyer will think is the ES is the baby LS if its similar to that of the LS. But that begs the question for average buyers - what happens when the Lexus GS drops and its even more similar to the LS? There can't be two baby LS's, right?
I just personally feel you can't call a Camry/Avalon re-skin FWD ES a baby LS. Its just a bit ludicrous for me. I'm 100% down to call the GS the baby LS because that makes more sense. If the Lexus GS drops a new model, it'll likely share the same GA-L as the LS, have RWD, and have more similar features to the LS/pricing it closer to the LS.
As much as I think the Lexus ES is a great car and a wonderful design for the new model year. The Lexus ES isn't an executive sedan - it a premium sedan. It can't be a executive sedan because its based on the Camry/Avalon and its FWD. The Lexus GS has always been the executive sedan under the Lexus LS. This is also why the purist VIP-Style folks use Lexus GS and Lexus LS because they were executive sedans.
I just personally feel you can't call a Camry/Avalon re-skin FWD ES a baby LS. Its just a bit ludicrous for me. I'm 100% down to call the GS the baby LS because that makes more sense. If the Lexus GS drops a new model, it'll likely share the same GA-L as the LS, have RWD, and have more similar features to the LS/pricing it closer to the LS.
As much as I think the Lexus ES is a great car and a wonderful design for the new model year. The Lexus ES isn't an executive sedan - it a premium sedan. It can't be a executive sedan because its based on the Camry/Avalon and its FWD. The Lexus GS has always been the executive sedan under the Lexus LS. This is also why the purist VIP-Style folks use Lexus GS and Lexus LS because they were executive sedans.
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I like it, the triple LED beam should just be standard every Lexus. This better have standard Auto folding mirrors now
. Really want to see what they did with the interior. I suspect the hybrid will have a few more ponies and perhaps a few more mpg than the current. Hybrid battery should be under the rear passenger seat allowing for better trunk space, perhaps even 60/40 split fold. I'd wager it has an optional 301hp V6.
04-19-18, 06:33 AM
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Even though it’s in the same price range as the A4, 3er and C-class I don’t think those buyers in the market for a compact sport sedan will be too interested in a practically full-size luxury sedan. There is a big difference in length, width and driving dynamics when comparing these tiny sedans to the very commodious ES Lexus. It’s a nice car I see it more like stealing sales from the Genesis G80, Buick LaCrosse, Volvo S90, and probably putting a final stake in the heart of the Acura RLX.
So in the range of $40k to $60k, there are plenty competitors where they could like the styling, advanced safety tech and interior quality/space compared to all of the competition. I can see people spending $55k on loaded ES vs base 5 series with 4cly and less room in the back... that is why ES sales have always been strong.
Since 3/5/C/E sell the best, obviously if it comes to sales increase, it is taking sales from those models and not poorly selling Genesis or Volvo.