All-new 2019 Lexus ES to debut at Beijing Motorshow
04-27-18, 01:44 PM
#691
Agreed, and it's not meant to be. The F-Sport part of it is mainly to capitalize on the popularity of the F-Sport package by Lexus which is a good move. And the AVS will simply help the ES be ever so slightly more 'buttoned down' when it comes to handling, which is welcome to the ES line that has historically been loose and wallows during a turn.
04-27-18, 01:48 PM
#692
Lexus Fanatic
But if the ES comes with an extra sport ++ mode as well as AVS, then the ES F sport is not just a cosmetic upgrade.
04-27-18, 01:51 PM
#693
Lexus Fanatic
omg, so much blathering on fwd, rwd, awd, and platforms and silly designations. toyota designating all the new platforms with the TNGA prefix is highly confusing for one thing, but for another, it's all irrelevant. what matters is how they drive, how they feel, how much they cost, what configurations do they offer.
04-27-18, 01:59 PM
#694
Most of the F Sports don't have a Sport+ mode with AVS. I believe the IS350, RC350, and GS350 are the only ones i know of (maybe the LC500 and LS but i haven't driven though). The GS350 also gets AVS with the luxury package. I haven't seen Sport+ on any of the FWD derivatives.
AVS helps with the handling but it can't make a mediocre car into a super star. The GS / IS / RC just have a really good platform for handling and the AVS makes it incrementally better.
AVS helps with the handling but it can't make a mediocre car into a super star. The GS / IS / RC just have a really good platform for handling and the AVS makes it incrementally better.
adjustable dampers are available on the front wheel Avalon Touring, Buick LaCrosse, Cadillac XTS, Lincoln Continental. It helps to stiffen up the ride keeping the tires in contact with the pavement more often. But it won’t turn the ES or any other car into a superstar. The Civic Type R and Golf GTI being like the only two exceptions I can think of that are great handling from wheel drive vehicles. The ES F sport is unlikely to out handle vehicles like the Mazda 6 or the Accord Sport 2.0l. It will drive fine, but it will be just a pretty featured packaged Boulevard Cruiser.
Last edited by highrev6; 04-27-18 at 02:43 PM.
04-27-18, 01:59 PM
#695
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by LexsCTJill
But if the ES comes with an extra sport ++ mode as well as AVS, then the ES F sport is not just a cosmetic upgrade.
I also disagree that the ES is the better car. It's more successful sales wise due to its target segment but the IS has been much better received by the enthusiast press and has won numerous comparisons while the previous ES hasn't won any. It's been a middle tier car at best. Here is hoping the new ES changes that.
04-27-18, 02:13 PM
#697
Lexus Fanatic
04-27-18, 02:19 PM
#699
Lexus Test Driver
Building on that idea of you pay for what you get, a new Lexus GS will definitely be better than the ES. Its just how capitalism works.
Also, like EZZ mentioned, the Lexus IS has won multiple awards as well.
04-27-18, 02:20 PM
#700
Lexus Fanatic
I also disagree that the ES is the better car. It's more successful sales wise due to its target segment but the IS has been much better received by the enthusiast press and has won numerous comparisons while the previous ES hasn't won any. It's been a middle tier car at best. Here is hoping the new ES changes that.
04-27-18, 02:31 PM
#701
drives cars
The GS is somewhat more reserved/mature in its interior design, but I always thought it seemed better built. Some of the door materials on the current ES in particular strike me as a little cheap relative to the GS's. However, I will say for its price, the current ES does all right for itself. The new one undoubtedly looks better at least in pictures and notably less "busy" - a good thing.
04-27-18, 02:36 PM
#702
Pole Position
The GS is somewhat more reserved/mature in its interior design, but I always thought it seemed better built. Some of the door materials on the current ES in particular strike me as a little cheap relative to the GS's. However, I will say for its price, the current ES does all right for itself. The new one undoubtedly looks better at least in pictures and notably less "busy" - a good thing.
Current ES feels like previous gen RX, yeah it's luxurious looking but there is something off about it and that's cost cutting measures. I don't expect new one to be in line with current GS at all but I do expect a bit of improvement.
04-27-18, 02:37 PM
#703
Lexus Champion
How one judges whether a car is better or worse than another varies on different criteria. I have seen a GS next to an ES. Not worth the upgade in price point IMO. For the Canadian market, my father was going to buy either a GSawd (only way to get it) or an ES. The GS was $23K more at the time ($64K vs $41K)). With that in mind, all he wanted to do was go from here to there with some trips to South US. He was coming from a previous Toyota sedan, previous was a Cadillac and the ES just got it all right for him. It was the better car in his minds. Especially when you put the GS next to an ES and compare the real, or precieved space inside.
04-27-18, 02:51 PM
#705
Lexus Test Driver
Well that's because it is higher grade quality and finish Current ES feels like previous gen RX, yeah it's luxurious looking but there is something off about it and that's cost cutting measures. I don't expect new one to be in line with current GS at all but I do expect a bit of improvement.
Current ES feels like previous gen RX, yeah it's luxurious looking but there is something off about it and that's cost cutting measures. I don't expect new one to be in line with current GS at all but I do expect a bit of improvement.I think one of the areas might be the turn signals. The rear turn signal for the 7G Lexus ES looks like a non LED turn signal. From the pictures - they look like a slightly bigger version of the 14-16 Lexus IS rear turn housings and not LED looking at all. I could be totally wrong though.