ES - 7th Gen (2019-present) Discussion topics related to 2019+ ES models

Is the new ES worth the $10k premium over Avalon?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 09-26-18 | 08:52 AM
  #61  
peteharvey's Avatar
peteharvey
Lead Lap
 
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 4,374
Likes: 488
From: Ca
Default

Originally Posted by stlgrym3
same platform, same powertrain, similar size (maybe a tad smaller than Avalon), do they worth $10k more over the Avalon when comparing similar trims? ES definitely had Avalon beatened in styling that’s for sure.
Horses for courses and each to their own.
It all depends if the 7ES pros and cons suits your personal needs, wants and tastes.

7ES has certain up sides, and certain down sides.

The upsides include:
Exterior and interior styling.
An aluminium bonnet, front quarter panels and trunk lid - or does Camry/Avalon have this already?
Front strut brace, and rear V-brace to increase rigidity and bending stiffness - or does Camry/Avalon have this already?
Sports bucket seats front and rear.
Does Avalon have noise cancelling alloy wheels too?
Probably more sound insulation.
A thumping 1,800 Watt Mark Levinson Class D amplifier that does not have to work very hard, hence very little distortion to sound quality.

The downsides include:
Maybe 7ES has a slightly smaller cabin???
Maybe 7ES has a slightly smaller trunk than Avalon???
Due to rear V-brace, 7ES does not have rear folding seats.
7ES's bucket seats are great for 4 occupants, but Avalon's flatter seats with less lateral support will be better for 5 occupants!
Maybe 7ES has a firmer ride than Avalon???
7ES costs $10k more.

There are many many other differences between 7ES and Avalon...

Traditionally, the Lexus ES or Toyota Windom as it was called before the Lexus division was established in Japan in 2005, the ES/Windom was a sporty stylish hardtop/frameless window lower roofline smaller cabin/trunk with non-folding rear seat backrests, heavy duty suspension, quieter and better equipped version of the Toyota Camry, but I'm not sure if that is still the case today.











Last edited by peteharvey; 09-28-18 at 04:17 PM.
The following 2 users liked this post by peteharvey:
jz14 (09-26-18), LexNYC83 (04-26-20)
Old 09-26-18 | 10:24 AM
  #62  
islandbeef's Avatar
islandbeef
Racer
 
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 1,679
Likes: 63
From: SoCal 858
Default

The ES will get jealous stares. The Avalon will make tasty waffles (with that huge grille).
So, what's more important? Envy or waffles?
Old 09-26-18 | 11:31 AM
  #63  
mikemu30's Avatar
mikemu30
Lexus Test Driver
 
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 8,203
Likes: 2,574
From: NJ
Default

Originally Posted by islandbeef
The ES will get jealous stares. The Avalon will make tasty waffles (with that huge grille).
So, what's more important? Envy or waffles?
Waffles go well with that brown interior. Sugar free syrup please.
Old 09-26-18 | 09:04 PM
  #64  
jz14's Avatar
jz14
Driver School Candidate
 
Joined: Aug 2018
Posts: 35
Likes: 7
From: CA
Default

Originally Posted by peteharvey
Traditionally, the Lexus ES or Toyota Windom as it was called before the Lexus division was established in Japan in 2005, the ES/Windom was a sporty stylish hardtop/frameless window lower roofline smaller cabin/trunk with non-folding rear seat backrests, heavy duty suspension, quieter and better equipped version of the Toyota Camry, but I'm not sure if that is still the case today.
This is a good point. I had always assumed that the Lexus ES was an upscale version of the Camry (not in a bad way) and thought that the Avalon was for those wanting a bigger car (than the Camry) but were not going to spend the money buying a full size luxury car like the LS, S Class, 7 Series. Now, it seems like Lexus is moving the ES to be same size as the Avalon which is a downer for me because it's feels bloated compared to the European brands.
Old 09-27-18 | 04:40 AM
  #65  
Mike728's Avatar
Mike728
Lead Lap
 
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 4,899
Likes: 709
From: IL
Default

Originally Posted by jz14
This is a good point. I had always assumed that the Lexus ES was an upscale version of the Camry (not in a bad way) and thought that the Avalon was for those wanting a bigger car (than the Camry) but were not going to spend the money buying a full size luxury car like the LS, S Class, 7 Series. Now, it seems like Lexus is moving the ES to be same size as the Avalon which is a downer for me because it's feels bloated compared to the European brands.
Been on the Avalon platform since 2013. I think bigger is better and it does not feel bloated at all.
Old 09-27-18 | 05:49 AM
  #66  
ibidu1's Avatar
ibidu1
Lexus Test Driver
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 5,805
Likes: 795
From: FL
Default

I sat in both cars the ES and the Avalon and compared them both, personally I like the ES350. I just felt the quality of the ES was slightly better, what really turned me off on the avalon was the flimsy (Felt like something that belonged in corolla) glove box, and the front bumper grille. I think they cheaped out! Hell, I liked the camry sport more then the avalon. My personal taste! I would def spend that extra bit of cash for a ES.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
drfranklin
ES - 6th Gen (2013-2018)
22
07-16-17 10:26 AM
MikeP
ES - 5th Gen (2007-2012)
22
01-10-10 05:52 PM
LuvLuxury
Car Chat
25
09-26-06 10:21 AM
Nauticalx
ES - 5th Gen (2007-2012)
23
09-02-06 02:33 PM
yESman
ES - 1st to 4th Gen (1990-2006)
10
01-04-06 05:25 PM



Quick Reply: Is the new ES worth the $10k premium over Avalon?



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:32 PM.