2019 ES350 F Sport front seat comfort
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I recently purchased the 2019 ES350 F Sport with the red interior and after 45 minutes my lower back is killing me. I have tried everything, Unfortunately, the lower lumber bladder just goes in and out. Just one bladder ball. It cannot be moved up or down and there are no other lower back adjustments. I have a 09' 4runner and had a 07' Camry. Both leather. Never had any comfort issues at all. It seems that this ES just needs more padding or something to widen the feel of the bladder for the lower lumbar support. Or even to place padding underneath it so the thing isn't just pushing on one point of my spine. Anyone else have these issues? I am to a point of trading this in on either a BMW, Infinity or may go back to a Camry.
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This is interesting. I hated the seats in the RX FSport and purchased the non-F Sport as a result. When I test drove the ES F Sport, I found the seats were much less snug than those in the RX and I was actually quite comfortable in them. I'm still shopping
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What did you think of the ES F Sport, and the way it drove? How would you compare it to non F sport?
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I love the look of it, loved the way it drove but can't compare to the non-F Sport as I wouldn't opt for that one and thus have never driven one - just my personal preference.
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I recently purchased the 2019 ES350 F Sport with the red interior and after 45 minutes my lower back is killing me. I have tried everything, Unfortunately, the lower lumber bladder just goes in and out. Just one bladder ball. It cannot be moved up or down and there are no other lower back adjustments. I have a 09' 4runner and had a 07' Camry. Both leather. Never had any comfort issues at all. It seems that this ES just needs more padding or something to widen the feel of the bladder for the lower lumbar support. Or even to place padding underneath it so the thing isn't just pushing on one point of my spine. Anyone else have these issues? I am to a point of trading this in on either a BMW, Infinity or may go back to a Camry. ![Egads!](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/pat.gif)
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For a tenth of what you would lose trading a ‘19, I’d go to an upholstery shop and have them add whatever you needed.
Probably for a twentieth of what you would lose trading this early.
Probably for a twentieth of what you would lose trading this early.
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I recently purchased the 2019 ES350 F Sport with the red interior and after 45 minutes my lower back is killing me. I have tried everything, Unfortunately, the lower lumber bladder just goes in and out. Just one bladder ball. It cannot be moved up or down and there are no other lower back adjustments. I have a 09' 4runner and had a 07' Camry. Both leather. Never had any comfort issues at all. It seems that this ES just needs more padding or something to widen the feel of the bladder for the lower lumbar support. Or even to place padding underneath it so the thing isn't just pushing on one point of my spine. Anyone else have these issues? I am to a point of trading this in on either a BMW, Infinity or may go back to a Camry. ![Egads!](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/pat.gif)
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I have the 19 es fsport and I’ve suffered from significant lower back pain most of my life. I have found that the best setting is with the lumber support almost completely NOT in the forward position - just the smallest touch of support. I drove from Key West to Tampa in the car (7 hours) and I was comfortable. Try the setting the way I suggested and let your body get used to the seats. I think you’ll be fine.
Source: Ergonomic counselor from work.
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Just asking, because your car signature has the Corvette, and the RX, but not the ES.
Also, are the ES F Sport seats more bucket-y? Could they still be raised to the same height levels as a non F sport ES? Are the seats very different, or just a little different (while still being more preferable for the F sport)?
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Unfortunately, the seats have very limited adjustment. The lower section of the seat does not tip or adjust separately. The entire seat goes up and down. Goes back and forth, The upper seatback tips back and the lumber bladder inflates only in one small area. The area that gives me pain is in the lumbar area. I went to an upholstery shop. The upholstery shop owner also stated it felt very firm and thinks that adding foam would correct the issue. He recommends adding material in both the lower seat back and in the lower back section of the lower seat cushion.
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Unfortunately, the seats have very limited adjustment. The lower section of the seat does not tip or adjust separately. The entire seat goes up and down. Goes back and forth, The upper seatback tips back and the lumber bladder inflates only in one small area. The area that gives me pain is in the lumbar area. I went to an upholstery shop. The upholstery shop owner also stated it felt very firm and thinks that adding foam would correct the issue. He recommends adding material in both the lower seat back and in the lower back section of the lower seat cushion.
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I think the upholstery guy wants to add foam below the lumbar and over the lumbar to take the hardness out of it and to give some support from the lower section of the seat back leading up to the lumbar.
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Keep working on it but sometimes seats just don't fit an individual well. I had a 81 Mustang (briefly) that I just couldn't get to be comfortable. At the same time I had a police package 81 Crown Victoria that the moment I first sat in the driver's seat I knew it was great. My recent ES's haven't been overly comfortable but I sat in a ES F-Sport and it, like the 81 CV, felt good right away - not sure my wife is going to agree with this assessment. Good luck.
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