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What is a 4GS owner doing on the 7ES part of the forum?
I almost had to trade my 4GS in for a 7ES!
Akio Toyoda was an avid racer at the Nurburgring, and good friends with former Aston Martin CEO Dr Ulrich Bez, who was very jealous of Toyota Motor Corp's financial success - he brainwashed Akio into thinking that Toyota products were bland, hence when Akio took over the reigns of TMC in 2009, Akio stipulated that there will be "no more boring cars", and the 4GS was one of the first models to be made more sporty under his leadership.
However, due to consumer feedback or whatever, the 2016-20 4.5GS midlife refresh did an about face, and it was softened with more sound insulation material added.
I had my 2015 retrofitted with the midlife refreshed 2016-20's softer springs and softer shock absorbers.
The 4GS Luxury trim OEM tires are 235/40 R19 - which is exactly the same as used on today's 7ES F Sport trim.
Downsizing 1" to 18" @ 235/45 R18 - which is the same as used on 7ES non-F Sport trim - made it only a little softer.
However strangely, downsizing another inch to 17" caused a noticeable difference in both the cosmetics and the ride.
Now, it really looks unfashionably "tall sidewalled", and even heavy - although it is actually lighter in total.
Meanwhile, the ride finally feels like the car is riding on a "cushion of air"!
I could get even more comfort by using slightly narrower rims like 7.5" rims on 225/55 R17, and even slightly more comfort again by using 7.0" wide rims on 215/60 R17.
Thanks to the 17", I no longer have to trade-in for a brand-new Lexus 7ES.
The OEM 8" wide rims are for 235/45 R18, and when downsized to 17", it would mean 235/50 R17 tires.
7.5" rims would be for 225 mm tread width.
7.0" wide rims for 215 mm tires, so I presume you are riding on 215/60 R17 tires???
Also, what tire make, model, and load & speed rating are you using?
Because this will also have a major impact on your ride quality.
Similar to you, my missus has a "bronze" IS200t - simply because it blends in with the mud, so not as much car washing required...
I wanted to go with 215/60 R17 because I thought it would fill the wheel well better, but I was concerned about rubbing. The size recommended in the door panel for 17" tires are the 215/55 R17. So I went with those.
I currently have Michelin Defender 2's with a V speed rating. They look a bit small compared to what a 215/60 R17 would probably look like. Apparently just perception however, since dimensionally, they fill the same space as an 18 with a 235/45 R18.
I wanted to go with 215/60 R17 because I thought it would fill the wheel well better, but I was concerned about rubbing. The size recommended in the door panel for 17" tires are the 215/55 R17. So I went with those.
I currently have Michelin Defender 2's with a V speed rating. They look a bit small compared to what a 215/60 R17 would probably look like. Apparently just perception however, since dimensionally, they fill the same space as an 18 with a 235/45 R18.
Meanwhile, your Michelin Defender 2's have a rather hard compound for great mileage rated at UTQG of 840 for high resistance to treadwear.
A compound rated at 800 will wear eight times slower than a compound rated at 100.
However, the low-speed rating of H for [210 kph metric] or 130 mph imperial, or the moderate speed rating of V for [240 kph metric] or 150 mph imperial will have fairly flexible sidewalls, unlike W or Y high speed ratings with rigid constructions to withstand high speeds.
Anyone run the previous gen Camry LE 17” wheel/tire set up on their ES?
The calendar year 2011-17 Camries used 17" x 7.0" with +40 mm offset and PCD of 5x114.3 mm.
The calendar year 2018-onwards ES's used 17" x 7.5" with +40 mm offset and PCD of 5x114.3 mm.
Both vehicles use 215/55 R17 tires.
The 0.5" wider rims of 7ES support the same tires a fraction better.
These 17" wheels should be compatible to both vehicles.
The narrower 17" x 7.0" wheels of the calendar 2011-17 Camries should easily fit into the 7ES.
Above, losiglow did it in the link below.
He used a +48 mm offset which could make the wheels look a fraction "inboard" compared to the stock +40 mm offset.
The 7.0" wide rims that are 0.5" narrower than 7.5" OEM will certainly compensate for his +8 mm extra offset.
The calendar year 2011-17 Camries used 17" x 7.0" with +40 mm offset and PCD of 5x114.3 mm.
The calendar year 2018-onwards ES's used 17" x 7.5" with +40 mm offset and PCD of 5x114.3 mm.
Both vehicles use 215/55 R17 tires.
The 0.5" wider rims of 7ES support the same tires a fraction better.
These 17" wheels should be compatible to both vehicles.
The narrower 17" x 7.0" wheels of the calendar 2011-17 Camries should easily fit into the 7ES.
Above, losiglow did it in the link below.
He used a +48 mm offset which could make the wheels look a fraction "inboard" compared to the stock +40 mm offset.
The 7.0" wide rims that are 0.5" narrower than 7.5" OEM will certainly compensate for his +8 mm extra offset.
On the 2012-2014.5 Camry, the offset on the 17”x7.0” is +45mm. Although the wheel designs changed for the 2015-2017, I believe the offset would be the same.
On the 2012-2014.5 Camry, the offset on the 17”x7.0” is +45mm. Although the wheel designs changed for the 2015-2017, I believe the offset would be the same.
Wow, I notice the Camry has a number of different offsets from +40 to +45 and even +50 mm.
The most important concept to remember is that +40 mm has the wheels mounted most outboard for a wider track that is up to 20 mm wider than +50 offset.
While +50 has the wheels mounted most inboard for a slightly narrower track that is up to 20 mm narrower than +40 offset.
The calendar year 2011-17 Camries used 17" x 7.0" with +40 mm offset and PCD of 5x114.3 mm.
The calendar year 2018-onwards ES's used 17" x 7.5" with +40 mm offset and PCD of 5x114.3 mm.
Both vehicles use 215/55 R17 tires.
The 0.5" wider rims of 7ES support the same tires a fraction better.
These 17" wheels should be compatible to both vehicles.
The narrower 17" x 7.0" wheels of the calendar 2011-17 Camries should easily fit into the 7ES.
Above, losiglow did it in the link below.
He used a +48 mm offset which could make the wheels look a fraction "inboard" compared to the stock +40 mm offset.
The 7.0" wide rims that are 0.5" narrower than 7.5" OEM will certainly compensate for his +8 mm extra offset.
@peteharvey thank you for the insights. I can’t recall what the 11-17 Camry 17” look like but I’m digging the ‘21-‘24 Camry 17” alloys. Regardless running 17s gives you the thickest sidewall for the cushiest ride. These are the ones I’m referring to- 17x7.5 et 45
@peteharvey thank you for the insights. I can’t recall what the 11-17 Camry 17” look like but I’m digging the ‘21-‘24 Camry 17” alloys. Regardless running 17s gives you the thickest sidewall for the cushiest ride. These are the ones I’m referring to.
Below is calendar year 2017-24 Camry with 17" x 7.0" and 17" x 7.5" both with +45 mm offset.
Though the 16" x 6.5" had +40 mm offset, while the 18" x 8.0" had a +50 mm offset.
Hence, a +45 mm offset is middle ground.
@peteharvey thank you for the insights. I can’t recall what the 11-17 Camry 17” look like but I’m digging the ‘21-‘24 Camry 17” alloys. Regardless running 17s gives you the thickest sidewall for the cushiest ride. These are the ones I’m referring to- 17x7.5 et 45
Note: Gen 7 Camry is 2012-2017. 2011 was Gen 6. The wheels on the 2015-2017 were different from those on the 2012-2014.5
Note: Gen 7 Camry is 2012-2017.2011 was Gen 6. The wheels on the 2015-2017 were different from those on the 2012-2014.5
I suspect NTH was referring to "calendar years", as opposed to the "model years".
The manufacturer always classifies models, build date compliance plates and part numbers specifically by calendar year as August 2011 to May 2017 for the US market XV50 Camry; by model year would be 2012-2017 as you say - reference by model year is only used in the US market, especially for marketing, to encourage consumers to update their vehicles.
The concept of model year was pioneered by Alfred P. Sloan of General Motors in the 1920's to sell more vehicles; back then, there was no concern for the environment.
Nowadays, a lot more concern for the environment, hence by 2027, all cell phones sold in Europe must have easy to replace batteries; the need to use a heat gun to soften the adhesive to replace the cell phone's battery will be a thing of the past.
Then June 2017 to April 2024 is the US market XV70 Camry.
Then April 2024 onwards is the US market XV80 Camry.
I must have missed that. What years/ trims did you say those specific wheels are from? I didn’t recognize them from any model years 2012-2017.
I’m not sure what year that specific wheel came standard on the LE trim but I think 2021 and runs through the 2024 LE. The hybrid Camry came with hubcaps.
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