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Old 10-16-23, 09:11 AM
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Well that is one out of how many Toyotas sold? If the lifetime fluid was causing catastrophic failure you better believe it would be in the news and Toyota would have to do a TSB or recall.
Yes he did. One of the first thing out of his mouth was that the fluid has never been changed.
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This is the video by CCN.
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There are always isolated examples one way or the other. My friend has a 4Runner with darn near 300K miles - original trans and fluid. Never touched.
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Yep many of us in the old days on the BMW forums had many BMWs in the 300-600k range.. all original transmission never touched. then you had your failures at 100k miles too. though if you plan to keep your car long, a better idea than not to replace your transmission fluid. even if its partial.

new fluid>old fluid.

if you disagree, next time you buy a new car, ask the tech in back if he can drain out all the new factory fluid and instead replace it with old trans fluid with 100k miles before you sign the dotted line!
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Originally Posted by E46CT
Yep many of us in the old days on the BMW forums had many BMWs in the 300-600k range.. all original transmission never touched. then you had your failures at 100k miles too. though if you plan to keep your car long, a better idea than not to replace your transmission fluid. even if its partial.

new fluid>old fluid.

if you disagree, next time you buy a new car, ask the tech in back if he can drain out all the new factory fluid and instead replace it with old trans fluid with 100k miles before you sign the dotted line!
Others might say NEW = Never Ever Worked
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Originally Posted by mikemu30
There are always isolated examples one way or the other. My friend has a 4Runner with darn near 300K miles - original trans and fluid. Never touched.
There are always isolated examples. Like this one.
Old 10-16-23, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by kingofire
This is the video by CCN.
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Sure enough,

One of the first thing out of his mouth was that the fluid has never been changed.
However, if you listen further into the video where The Car Care Nut goes into the symptoms of the old transmission's failure and the reasons for replacing rather than repairing it taken in context with his "THIS Is the Most Underrated Car Invention in 2023 | The Torque Converter" discussion, you don't have to be a super genius to arrive at the conclusion transmission fluid change status has absolutely nothing to do with the transmission failure and replacement decision.

The vibration and shifting shuddering are the symptoms of excessive heat warping of the torque converter. The replace versus repair decision was significantly, if not mostly, driven by the overall corrosion state of the transmission parts and fasteners. The overall corrosion state was such that it was fairly probable that there was going to be costly corrosion related problems that would have to be addressed during the repair work in addition to the work needed to fix the operational problems of the transmission.

NONE of those issues would be prevented by transmission fluid changing - no matter how frequent of fluid change interval one chooses. That transmission's design isn't adequate to handle the transmission fluid heat generated by the real world work loads the truck was experiencing. The externally exposed materials in the transmission's construction isn't sufficiently resistant to excessive corrosion damage from long term exposure to the Chicago area cold season heavy road salt use environment.
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Let me make this crystal clear, change your oil every 10,000 miles nothing will go wrong. Never change your transmission fluid it is lifetime which means literally forever. Your car won't end up in a salvage yard so I can harvest body parts because it died of neglect.
how many Toyotas/Lex have you personally seen with failed engines or transmissions and at what mileage?
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Originally Posted by BBQapple
how many Toyotas/Lex have you personally seen with failed engines or transmissions and at what mileage?
Zero naturally. That's why I see so many nice cars in the salvage yards people scrapped a perfectly running vehicle. ATF never wears out, and wear metals and clutch material never end up contaminating the fluid causing total failure. Never happens.

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Originally Posted by mikemu30
Others might say NEW = Never Ever Worked
Originally Posted by mikemu30
There are always isolated examples one way or the other. My friend has a 4Runner with darn near 300K miles - original trans and fluid. Never touched.

Yeah, I knew a man who smoked 3 packs per day. He lived to be 95 and died n a car accident. Just proves smoking is healthy and highly recommended.
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Originally Posted by kingofire
Yes he did. One of the first thing out of his mouth was that the fluid has never been changed.
He stated that as a fact, not causation.
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Zero naturally. That's why I see so many nice cars in the salvage yards people scrapped a perfectly running vehicle. ATF never wears out, and wear metals and clutch material never end up contaminating the fluid causing total failure. Never happens.
You don’t have to answer the question if you don’t want to

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Originally Posted by BBQapple
You don’t have to answer the question if you don’t want to, no need to be nasty
There is no point. Some people are 1000% convinced it is impossible for transmissions to fail and fluid lasts forever. Never mind that I've pulled many pans to find oil in horrible condition and heavy presence of wear metals. It was very obvious why the car was scrapped. Finding a good used transmission is very difficult because of this.
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Originally Posted by SugarmillM
It’s interesting that BillUK says that annual oil changes are the norm in the UK. I wonder if that’s the norm for all car/truck brands there?
For most regular cars over here, the recommended service interval is every 12 months or 10/12k miles, whichever comes sooner, and that's all the warranty requires. Naturally there are shorter intervals recommended for severe conditions, and specialist cars/trucks, but I don't know any regular ones that have shorter intervals. As far as I'm aware that's pretty much standard across all Europe, and we find it strange that the USA seems fixated on 5k changes. I imagine that it's partly due to oil being historically cheaper in the US, and the preponderance of quick change outlets in the US, who naturally have the sole goal of selling oil, something we've never really had over here, and so it's a message that's been driven home.

Transmission fluid is slighty different. Whilst most people probably never change it, and follow the liftetime recommendation, quite a few heve learned not to trust this, and so change at around 80-100k. Mostly though that's the kind of people who are interested enough in cars to be on a forum, which of course most drivers aren't.

As far as I recall that's always been the case in my 40+ years of driving.
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
Zero naturally. That's why I see so many nice cars in the salvage yards people scrapped a perfectly running vehicle. ATF never wears out, and wear metals and clutch material never end up contaminating the fluid causing total failure. Never happens.


You have no idea what you’re talking about.


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