LOW Gas Milage - anyone else?
#17
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You can tell if a car salesperson is lying - if their lips are moving... OTOH one must have some knowledge of the selling price. lease rules, terms, residuals, etc, BEFORE dealing with a salesperson. Sounds like you were talked into an unsatisfactory (for you) deal. I also agree with the others as far as L.A. being a terrible place to measure mileage. My 2013 got between 22 and 28 mpg and my 2019 with just over 1500 miles is achieving about 21 mpg. I have never had it on an interstate to date so can't say what I would get there... I do drive gently, not sprinting from a stop. Those days are over for the Lexus. Now when in the Corvette...
#18
I wholeheartedly agree that they ought to have listened better and
helped you get the ES300h, regular fuel and 44 MPG in town rather
than the 22 MPG city you got.
Ways to improve on what you have for the next 4 years, limit your
use of the remote start to cool off the parked car. Use the recommended
Regular fuel, do not use slow burning Premium in the ES350 V6. Use
the ventilated seat feature and set the A/C to a slightly higher temp to
use less fuel.
The IS300 uses Premium fuel while the ES350 runs on Regular and
while the RWD is rated at 22 MPG city, it is a 4 cyl turbo.
helped you get the ES300h, regular fuel and 44 MPG in town rather
than the 22 MPG city you got.
Ways to improve on what you have for the next 4 years, limit your
use of the remote start to cool off the parked car. Use the recommended
Regular fuel, do not use slow burning Premium in the ES350 V6. Use
the ventilated seat feature and set the A/C to a slightly higher temp to
use less fuel.
The IS300 uses Premium fuel while the ES350 runs on Regular and
while the RWD is rated at 22 MPG city, it is a 4 cyl turbo.
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#19
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This is a new car and they want to charge you $200.00 to fix a safety feature? I would bet that there's nothing wrong with your car and they're slinging BS at you and hoping it will stick.
It sounds to me that they are taking advantage of you from the sale to everything else. Unfortunately, Lexus usually does nothing in these instances so I'd find another dealer and have the car checked for whatever these morons are saying is wrong. Don't get taken for a ride any further. These people are simply being dishonest and their only mission is to separate you from your money. Really pisses me off when a dealer takes advantage of a customer like this. Most dealers are honest and forthright. Just let me know when you find one...
It sounds to me that they are taking advantage of you from the sale to everything else. Unfortunately, Lexus usually does nothing in these instances so I'd find another dealer and have the car checked for whatever these morons are saying is wrong. Don't get taken for a ride any further. These people are simply being dishonest and their only mission is to separate you from your money. Really pisses me off when a dealer takes advantage of a customer like this. Most dealers are honest and forthright. Just let me know when you find one...
#20
Unfortunately, you might need to swallow your medicine and learn an expensive lesson, then never do business with them again. Maybe some other members will have better advice for this type of situation.
#21
I disagree, I believe most dealerships are dishonest. I say this from experience and having friends that have worked in dealerships. Hearing the same thing from multiple sources and from people I trust is why I stay away from dealerships. Money makes people change and usually not for the good.
#22
California has its own crappy gas formula and that could be a cause of worse than estimated gas mileage.
I am sorry that you feel that the dealer made you buy a car you did not want. Yet, I assume you are over 18 years old and you bought it. You signed for it and you own it. It is up to the buyer to do his due diligence. Buyer beware.
Personally, if it were me, I would just move on and enjoy the car as much as possible.
I am sorry that you feel that the dealer made you buy a car you did not want. Yet, I assume you are over 18 years old and you bought it. You signed for it and you own it. It is up to the buyer to do his due diligence. Buyer beware.
Personally, if it were me, I would just move on and enjoy the car as much as possible.
#23
I disagree, I believe most dealerships are dishonest. I say this from experience and having friends that have worked in dealerships. Hearing the same thing from multiple sources and from people I trust is why I stay away from dealerships. Money makes people change and usually not for the good.
#24
It sucks that the dealer didn't work with you to make sure you were well informed to the point that your expectations were set to what the vehicle is capable of giving you. In LA traffic, no vehicle is going to deliver it's EPA rating, and you described it as an errand car which to me would mean lots of short trips around town, maybe on-off the highway in a couple exits. Those conditions will torpedo fuel mileage, regardless of vehicle.
For what it's worth, the ES350 shines on the highway. Tall gearing and good aerodynamics help it overachieve cruising on the open road. I drive medium-long stretches at a time on the highway, and I typically can get 38 to 40 mpg on trips longer than 50-60 miles. I track each and every fill up in a spreadsheet just for the heck of it, and so far, overall, I'm averaging 29.1 mpg across the first 1622 mi on the vehicle.
For what it's worth, the ES350 shines on the highway. Tall gearing and good aerodynamics help it overachieve cruising on the open road. I drive medium-long stretches at a time on the highway, and I typically can get 38 to 40 mpg on trips longer than 50-60 miles. I track each and every fill up in a spreadsheet just for the heck of it, and so far, overall, I'm averaging 29.1 mpg across the first 1622 mi on the vehicle.
#25
I have the hybrid and I'm also not getting the mileage was hoping for/expecting. The EPA estimate is 45 and many reviews said it does pretty good at getting that. Even keeping it in Eco mode, cruise control set at 70mph and mostly freeway driving after 10 fill-ups I'm getting just under 41mpg. I was really hoping for like 43mpg average.
#26
That's interesting...I always drive in ECO mode but am in Los Angeles where there is quite a bit of traffic. Maybe the idling at traffic lights contributes to it?
Do you think it matters what kind of gas you use? Another thing the dealer told me was that I would save money on the car because it didn't need premium gas and I could fill it up with the lowest tier.
I can try to accelerate more slowly away from the traffic lights and stop signs, that's a good tip.
And I really wish I had gone with the Genesis, they're such cool looking cars!
Do you think it matters what kind of gas you use? Another thing the dealer told me was that I would save money on the car because it didn't need premium gas and I could fill it up with the lowest tier.
I can try to accelerate more slowly away from the traffic lights and stop signs, that's a good tip.
And I really wish I had gone with the Genesis, they're such cool looking cars!
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#27
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Use premium gas and you will get better mpg. When they say city mpg they don’t mean LA or NYC city. They basically mean open road city with not much stopping. That’s how they come up with their mpg. The 3.5L engine whether in the GS, RX or ES always gets 13-15 mpg in LA or NYC city traffic unless you drive it like a baby. The hybrid is what you need if you drive in the city a lot, gets double the MPG basically. Find a highly rated Lexus dealer and try to get them to switch you to the hybrid.
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#28
DMPesso is correct for cars that require Premium such as our GS350's and NX300 turbos.
Both the ES350 V6 and the ES300h Hybrid 4 cylinder are tuned for Regular fuel and will
not benefit from the use of Premium.
Jimv1083 - the optimum MPG from our Hybrids is around town, electricity creates momentum
while accelerating and the momentum creates electricity when slowing down. At highway speeds
it is just a very nice 4 cylinder car. Our 2018 ES300h (40/39/40) gets 41 when commuting at a
27 MPH average, 37 MPG at 70 MPH but only 32 MPG (!?!) when cruising at 75 MPH.
Both the ES350 V6 and the ES300h Hybrid 4 cylinder are tuned for Regular fuel and will
not benefit from the use of Premium.
Jimv1083 - the optimum MPG from our Hybrids is around town, electricity creates momentum
while accelerating and the momentum creates electricity when slowing down. At highway speeds
it is just a very nice 4 cylinder car. Our 2018 ES300h (40/39/40) gets 41 when commuting at a
27 MPH average, 37 MPG at 70 MPH but only 32 MPG (!?!) when cruising at 75 MPH.
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#29
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DMPesso is correct for cars that require Premium such as our GS350's and NX300 turbos.
Both the ES350 V6 and the ES300h Hybrid 4 cylinder are tuned for Regular fuel and will
not benefit from the use of Premium.
Jimv1083 - the optimum MPG from our Hybrids is around town, electricity creates momentum
while accelerating and the momentum creates electricity when slowing down. At highway speeds
it is just a very nice 4 cylinder car. Our 2018 ES300h (40/39/40) gets 41 when commuting at a
27 MPH average, 37 MPG at 70 MPH but only 32 MPG (!?!) when cruising at 75 MPH.
Both the ES350 V6 and the ES300h Hybrid 4 cylinder are tuned for Regular fuel and will
not benefit from the use of Premium.
Jimv1083 - the optimum MPG from our Hybrids is around town, electricity creates momentum
while accelerating and the momentum creates electricity when slowing down. At highway speeds
it is just a very nice 4 cylinder car. Our 2018 ES300h (40/39/40) gets 41 when commuting at a
27 MPH average, 37 MPG at 70 MPH but only 32 MPG (!?!) when cruising at 75 MPH.
#30
On another note ..... you're mileage is terrible no doubt, but it's very hard to quantify. Everyone's driving circumstances are different, which is why they always say "your mileage may vary". It really does! The ES350 is no MPG Hero. That said, 14 MPG seems unusual. Take a short trip on the freeway, and see how it does. If it doesn't get up to at least 22 or 23, you may have a real issue. If it does, I'd start thinking about change my driving habits, and learn about the tons of things that negatively impact mileage. I suspect you'll recognize a few of them.
Either way, it makes no sense to just guess about what might be causing your bad mileage. You'll need to figure it out on your own. Don't expect much help from Lexus or the dealer until you have evidence there is something wrong with the car.
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