Transmission or Computer? 2019 ES350
12-28-22 | 09:22 AM
#16
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If the transmission is the only thing dissuading you from a 7ES, might I recommend a 7ES hybrid? Cause objectively, the 7ES chassis is leaps and bounds better than 6ES (as it should be). I'd hate for you to get in a worse car just cause you hate the 8-speed.
And if power is a concern, it shouldn't be. The hybrid in the 7ES has pretty good authority when it accelerates. Very usable nice power that gets out of its own way very easily. I'd say it's only lacking at higher speeds but even then not at all inadequate. The electric motor gets the car moving from a stand still.
And if power is a concern, it shouldn't be. The hybrid in the 7ES has pretty good authority when it accelerates. Very usable nice power that gets out of its own way very easily. I'd say it's only lacking at higher speeds but even then not at all inadequate. The electric motor gets the car moving from a stand still.
12-29-22 | 10:25 AM
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I’m not really a big fan of cvt either hybrid cars,, I’m just looking for naturally aspirated reliable engine ,, seems like the 2GR-FE has common problem as well !!!! Any recommendations on the 16 es that was build in Japan ? Any improvement over the ones built in USA since 2017 and up ??
12-29-22 | 10:48 AM
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12-29-22 | 10:50 AM
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I’m not really a big fan of cvt either hybrid cars,, I’m just looking for naturally aspirated reliable engine ,, seems like the 2GR-FE has common problem as well !!!! Any recommendations on the 16 es that was build in Japan ? Any improvement over the ones built in USA since 2017 and up ??
12-29-22 | 10:53 AM
#20
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first off tnga>older stuff
second, cores of camry/avalon vs 7es are similar sure, but the finishing items are different. those are perception items.
12-29-22 | 02:14 PM
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I’m not really a big fan of cvt either hybrid cars,, I’m just looking for naturally aspirated reliable engine ,, seems like the 2GR-FE has common problem as well !!!! Any recommendations on the 16 es that was build in Japan ? Any improvement over the ones built in USA since 2017 and up ??
12-29-22 | 02:55 PM
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Not rubbish by a long shot.
12-29-22 | 03:12 PM
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12-30-22 | 09:49 PM
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I think some of y’all need to go in and ask them to reprogram your transmission in your ES. My 2022 ES 350 F sport has the eight speed transmission and it’s silky Smooth with no harsh jerking on deceleration or acceleration. I’ve seen people with 2019 or 2020 models complain about this and I’m almost sure they have done some re-programming on the 2022 and later ES. I know the transmission is the same in my car as earlier cars so the only difference could be the program.
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12-31-22 | 07:11 AM
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I think some of y’all need to go in and ask them to reprogram your transmission in your ES. My 2022 ES 350 F sport has the eight speed transmission and it’s silky Smooth with no harsh jerking on deceleration or acceleration. I’ve seen people with 2019 or 2020 models complain about this and I’m almost sure they have done some re-programming on the 2022 and later ES. I know the transmission is the same in my car as earlier cars so the only difference could be the program.
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12-31-22 | 07:43 AM
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I think some of y’all need to go in and ask them to reprogram your transmission in your ES. My 2022 ES 350 F sport has the eight speed transmission and it’s silky Smooth with no harsh jerking on deceleration or acceleration. I’ve seen people with 2019 or 2020 models complain about this and I’m almost sure they have done some re-programming on the 2022 and later ES. I know the transmission is the same in my car as earlier cars so the only difference could be the program.
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01-04-23 | 12:03 PM
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I drove a 2022 ES350 F-Sport back to back with my 2020 ES350 Premium and it was night and day. It is not a characteristic of the car, there are definitely either model years or batches that have some sort of issue with the transmission (whether it be mechanical or software). I used the same driving style, I did the same tests and up and down shifts, and the 2022 ES350 F Sport loaner was a distinct joy to drive. On the other hand, I am beginning to hate driving my ES350.
See my experience here.
See my experience here.
01-04-23 | 12:58 PM
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I drove a 2022 ES350 F-Sport back to back with my 2020 ES350 Premium and it was night and day. It is not a characteristic of the car, there are definitely either model years or batches that have some sort of issue with the transmission (whether it be mechanical or software). I used the same driving style, I did the same tests and up and down shifts, and the 2022 ES350 F Sport loaner was a distinct joy to drive. On the other hand, I am beginning to hate driving my ES350.
See my experience here.
See my experience here.
I have to say that I didn't expect this problem with Lexus and certainly not with the car itself. Other than the tranny the car is a gem.
Last edited by bc6152; 01-04-23 at 01:39 PM.
01-04-23 | 01:15 PM
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Myself and a lot of others that bought new gen 7 cars experienced this problem immediately. I came from a gen 6 ES and the difference was night and day. I complained like you did and received the dame BS excuses. After four years - mine is a 2019 - I just put up with the lousy transmission. Thankfully I don't drive as much as many other members do on the forum.
I have to say that I didn't expect this problem with Lexus and certainly not with the car itself. Other than the tranny the car is a gem.
I have to say that I didn't expect this problem with Lexus and certainly not with the car itself. Other than the tranny the car is a gem.
To be honest, I even like the touchpad over the touch screen that the 2022 model had for infotainment!
Too bad - I hope Lexus listens and releases a software patch to cure an otherwise wonderful car. I'm just not certain if it would remove the bad taste in my mouth from the dealer and Lexus Canada interactions.
Oh well.