clqw

I would call that crazy talk -- that means there would be beeping every 15 seconds during driving, can you imagine LOL

toyotaman7

It would be good to have the option to beep if the signal is on and a car in blind spot

mikemu30

That would be complete insanity. They want it to beep if you use the turn signal AND there's a car in the blind spot.

clqw

OH that makes much more sense!

rebel7254

Not just if you flip the turn signal, but also if you actually start veering into the lane where the BSM has detected a vehicle, whether turn signal is on or not.

AndrewLWSN

Bought my ES 300h 2019 UL back in May 2019 and have literally 0 problem so far. I daily commute and have put around 55 000km on it. I read many forum posts talking about window noises, etc. while driving on the highway but I did not have this problem. The only minor thing that I can see is a little bit of creaks coming from the passenger side. I couldn't pinpoint where it was coming from, but everybody who have sat in the passenger haven't noticed it. I don't consider it a huge problem since I always have the radio on and it is barely noticeable. The car was made japan. Not sure if it makes a difference.

Prado

check the glove compartment.. I had that issue, the dealer used a stethoscope to find the noise. Turned out to a be a loose fitting... (that to from a Japanese built version)

WhiteUltra

Would it be better to get a L/Certified 2019 Ultra Lux with around 20K miles or a 2021 Luxury with similar features?
The UL has the 1800 watt ML and the '21 may not.
The 2019 is priced right for purchase and I could lease the '21.

I could really use some advice

Harry
2004 LS Ultra Luxury with PCS

Wihunge

I always keep my cars for at least 10 years. So I always purchase, pretty sure it saves money in the long run. A 2019 with 20k would be a great car, it has the newer platform and tech. I would go with the 2019. It surly will last well over 100,000 miles. I have a 2020 ultra lux and love the Mark Levenson Sound System. Also the UltraLuxury trim have what Lexus called “ Lateral Dampers” which takes some of the vibration out of the ride.

WhiteUltra

Thanks WiHunge,

My only concern with the 2019 is that it's an early version of the platform and that even a 2020 would have some improvements.
My iPhone fits tightly into the phone slot near the front USB ports and if I'm not careful it calls 911.
I test drove a 2021 as a sanity check and the opening in that little piece of plastic that fits in as a cupholder and widened and did not set off SOS on my phone.
Little things like that might have been improved at each Model Year.
I wonder if the little plastic piece is replaceable.

H

Shaboom

That whole set up is cumbersome and antiquated. In a year or two, the AppleCar Play will be wireless and cable free like, for example, the Buick and other brands already are.

toyotaman7

2019 won't have Android Auto and was also the first year this car was released in a new platform.

lesz

While the 2019 CPO car would seem to have some nice advantages, be aware of the fact that buying a CPO can be somewhat of a crap shoot. Periodically, posts show up on the various CL boards from people who bought a CPO vehicle and who subsequently discovered that the car had previously repaired collision damage or that had other mechanical problems.

While having a 161 point CPO checklist sounds impressive, in reality, it isn't that impressive. If you look at the items on that checklist, most of them are things that anyone of us could check for ourselves in about 30 minutes. They are things like making sure that the car starts, making sure that the lights all work, making sure that the power windows all work, etc. There are only a handful of items that might require some expertise to check. They are things like checking how much life the brake pads have left, and any mechanic could check those things in a few minutes.

Here is a link to the checklist.

https://www.lexus.com/documents/broc...t-brochure.pdf

I've come to believe that some of the worst buys in the auto market are 0-2 year old CPO vehicles. There is high demand for those cars because there are lots of people who mistakenly believe that they are buying an "almost new" car at a significant price savings. On the other hand, there is low supply of those 0-2 year old CPO vehicles because not many 0-2 year old cars have yet come back to dealers as trade-ins or lease returns.

The high demand and low supply of such cars leads to highly inflated prices. Yet, many people are anxious to buy them, in part, because they don't realize just how much discounting is available on brand new Lexus vehicles. Often, a one or two year old CPO car will have a price that is very close to the price for which a savvy buyer could buy a brand new similarly-equipped car of the same model. When I bought my 2017 UL ES just a couple of weeks after the 2017s became available in November, 2016, the dealer from whom I bought it had two 2016 CPO UL ES on its lot, and the asking prices for those two CPO cars was actually more than what I paid for my brand new 2017 ES. Both of those two CPO cars sold quickly for almost exactly what I paid for my new 2017.

The bottom line for purchasing a CPO vehicle is buyer beware.

Shaboom

Get the new one and avoid the risk of “buying some else’s troubles.”

giaruso

I would certainly like to have that option, YES!