Issue with Ride Quality and Sound
09-17-21, 07:12 PM
#76
ES Ultra Luxury
ES Ultra Luxury
There is a lot of posts on tire noise here. I would like to get the quietest tire I can next time I need them. One thing to consider here is that the es ultra luxury is equipped with lateral dampers which are designed to take some of the vibration out while on the road. The other trims don’t have them. This was one of the main reasons I bought the Ul. The car rides extremely quite in my experience.
There is a lot of posts on tire noise here. I would like to get the quietest tire I can next time I need them. One thing to consider here is that the es ultra luxury is equipped with lateral dampers which are designed to take some of the vibration out while on the road. The other trims don’t have them. This was one of the main reasons I bought the Ul. The car rides extremely quite in my experience.
09-18-21, 08:26 AM
#77
ES Ultra Luxury
There is a lot of posts on tire noise here. I would like to get the quietest tire I can next time I need them. One thing to consider here is that the es ultra luxury is equipped with lateral dampers which are designed to take some of the vibration out while on the road. The other trims don’t have them. This was one of the main reasons I bought the Ul. The car rides extremely quite in my experience.
There is a lot of posts on tire noise here. I would like to get the quietest tire I can next time I need them. One thing to consider here is that the es ultra luxury is equipped with lateral dampers which are designed to take some of the vibration out while on the road. The other trims don’t have them. This was one of the main reasons I bought the Ul. The car rides extremely quite in my experience.
Do note, though, that the OEM tires specified for all ES versions aren't necessarily optimized for any one purpose. Tire engineering is a compromise, and the OEM tires on this car are generally designed for high gas mileage on the EPA test, then for durability and quietness, and not really at all for traction. Yes, you can get a quieter tire, provided that you're willing to sacrifice in some other areas of performance.
01-25-22, 03:31 PM
#78
Driver School Candidate
No…
Engineers do benchmark against their competition as a normal part of vehicle development so any difference should be negligible in this day and age.
I think people are just expecting too much due to the urban myths/legends (some somewhat justified) about Lexus quietness. In the past this was true relative to other makes, but as of 5-6 years ago, everyone figured out how to be just as quiet as eachother. There's not much mystery or science or room left on the table in enhancing a vehicle further. In fact Lexus Chief Engineer for the 7ES said they actually had to purposefully louden the 7ES back up as it was too quiet. There has to be some noise baked/allowed in as too quiet can cause fatigue. In other words, it's beyond the scope of your understanding. Just leave it to the engineers. Sit back and enjoy the ride... or trade your car in for what you think is better.
I think people are just expecting too much due to the urban myths/legends (some somewhat justified) about Lexus quietness. In the past this was true relative to other makes, but as of 5-6 years ago, everyone figured out how to be just as quiet as eachother. There's not much mystery or science or room left on the table in enhancing a vehicle further. In fact Lexus Chief Engineer for the 7ES said they actually had to purposefully louden the 7ES back up as it was too quiet. There has to be some noise baked/allowed in as too quiet can cause fatigue. In other words, it's beyond the scope of your understanding. Just leave it to the engineers. Sit back and enjoy the ride... or trade your car in for what you think is better.
01-25-22, 03:35 PM
#79
Driver School Candidate
Thread Starter
01-25-22, 03:44 PM
#80
Driver School Candidate
well at $53k I would have hoped Lexus would have provided them with the car. With 17k miles I’m not about to drop $1500 on a new set. Pretty sure I’m going to trade for something else. Not at all impressed with much other than the 40 mpg
01-25-22, 03:54 PM
#81
Lexus Test Driver
01-25-22, 04:09 PM
#82
Lexus Fanatic
Tires are VERY important for a Lexus. They don't do that great a job isolating the car from the road (this is true of all Lexus vehicles), so the right set of tires makes a huge difference in how quiet the car is.
I would recommend Pirelli Cinturato P7 Plus II or 3
01-25-22, 07:15 PM
#83
I finally came across this quote. I think it was from one of the car's chief engineers. He said something to the effect that they had to add back some noise because it was so unnaturally quiet that occupants got disoriented and nauseated.
01-25-22, 07:21 PM
#84
If noise and decent all-around performance are the priority, I'd probably look first to Michelin Premier. If you care about noise to the exclusion of all other considerations, I'd consider some of the other tires mentioned in this thread.
01-25-22, 07:23 PM
#85
Lexus Fanatic
Thats basically BS lol. The ES is reasonably quiet, but there are lots of much quieter cars.
01-25-22, 07:24 PM
#86
01-25-22, 08:18 PM
#87
New tires for the ES won't cost $1,500.
Tires are VERY important for a Lexus. They don't do that great a job isolating the car from the road (this is true of all Lexus vehicles), so the right set of tires makes a huge difference in how quiet the car is.
I would recommend Pirelli Cinturato P7 Plus II or 3
Tires are VERY important for a Lexus. They don't do that great a job isolating the car from the road (this is true of all Lexus vehicles), so the right set of tires makes a huge difference in how quiet the car is.
I would recommend Pirelli Cinturato P7 Plus II or 3
what about Michelins?.. i currently have Dunlop 19 inch and they have alot of road noise.
01-26-22, 05:57 AM
#88
•Eco: The OEM tire on ES's that come with Michelins. Fairly quiet, crappy traction especially on snow.
•Primacy: Fairly quiet, better traction by far than Eco. Best compromise Michelin choice for many.
•CrossClimate II: Makes noise, especially on grooved pavement and cruising at certain speeds (around 50?)? It's a tradeoff for superb rain and snow traction.
•Defender (if even available in these sizes): A low-performance tire, maybe not even certified for high-speed cruising, that should be pretty soft and quiet.
Anybody feel free to jump in and correct me on the particulars. But the basic point is, you can't really generalize by brand across all the maker's tires. Same comment applies to Goodyear and others.
Last edited by LexFinally; 01-28-22 at 05:23 AM.
01-26-22, 08:09 AM
#89
Lexus Fanatic
01-26-22, 09:48 AM
#90
Lexus Test Driver
Don't lump all Michelins together. There are several very different Michelins offered for this car. My research-based amateur impressions:
•Eco: The OEM tire on ES's that come with Michelins. Fairly quiet, crappy traction especially on snow.
•Premier: Fairly quiet, better traction by far than Eco. Best compromise Michelin choice for many.
•CrossClimate II: Makes noise, especially on grooved pavement and cruising at certain speeds (around 50?)? It's a tradeoff for superb rain and snow traction.
•Defender (if even available in these sizes): A low-performance tire, maybe not even certified for high-speed cruising, that should be pretty soft and quiet.
Anybody feel free to jump in and correct me on the particulars. But the basic point is, you can't really generalize by brand across all the maker's tires. Same comment applies to Goodyear and others.
•Eco: The OEM tire on ES's that come with Michelins. Fairly quiet, crappy traction especially on snow.
•Premier: Fairly quiet, better traction by far than Eco. Best compromise Michelin choice for many.
•CrossClimate II: Makes noise, especially on grooved pavement and cruising at certain speeds (around 50?)? It's a tradeoff for superb rain and snow traction.
•Defender (if even available in these sizes): A low-performance tire, maybe not even certified for high-speed cruising, that should be pretty soft and quiet.
Anybody feel free to jump in and correct me on the particulars. But the basic point is, you can't really generalize by brand across all the maker's tires. Same comment applies to Goodyear and others.