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#17
I don't mind the government stuffing good stuff down our throats. EVs, Mandatory Vaccinations, Regulated Food & Meat/Poultry, Seat belts, bring it on! Conserve our safety, health, and security!
And yeah years, the government target is 2030. So 2021 to 2030 would mean "years." But most automakers now have a complete suite of EVs ready for final stages of development, if not already out. Hummer EV, Jeep EV etc. Already, to me, gas cars are starting to seem dumb. And this is coming from a strong DIYer, former track junky/racer etc.
And yeah years, the government target is 2030. So 2021 to 2030 would mean "years." But most automakers now have a complete suite of EVs ready for final stages of development, if not already out. Hummer EV, Jeep EV etc. Already, to me, gas cars are starting to seem dumb. And this is coming from a strong DIYer, former track junky/racer etc.
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I don't mind the government stuffing good stuff down our throats. EVs, Mandatory Vaccinations, Regulated Food & Meat/Poultry, Seat belts, bring it on! Conserve our safety, health, and security!
And yeah years, the government target is 2030. So 2021 to 2030 would mean "years." But most automakers now have a complete suite of EVs ready for final stages of development, if not already out. Hummer EV, Jeep EV etc. Already, to me, gas cars are starting to seem dumb. And this is coming from a strong DIYer, former track junky/racer etc.
And yeah years, the government target is 2030. So 2021 to 2030 would mean "years." But most automakers now have a complete suite of EVs ready for final stages of development, if not already out. Hummer EV, Jeep EV etc. Already, to me, gas cars are starting to seem dumb. And this is coming from a strong DIYer, former track junky/racer etc.
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dklanecky1 (09-17-21)
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I thought about that... but for me 99% of my commuting is shorter than 10 miles. And often times when I do want to go on a long drive, I end up renting a car anyway cause it ends up being a road trip etc. But even then you can still charge on long drives--how many go on trips and stop somewhere to eat and have refreshments? Most if not all of the new cars promise a healthy charge in 20 minutes. Trust me I had all these same criticisms before. Should've seen me argue against electric cars.. i was nasty before. but it's starting to solve problems on its own... as i'm sure happened w/ gas cars back in its day.
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Yeah gas is nice for convenience. But chargers are popping up more and more and is becoming the norm. Mankind moves forward right? I mean we don't use gas powered cell phones or toothbrushes. only makes sense things eventually go electric =p
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Honestly I think my next car will be electric. It's sad that Lexus has not shown off any development in electric cars. Mercedes already has a FULL electric lineup in every category already in development stage. While only Toyota has shown off an electric Rav4. The electric car era is coming fast, hard, and heavy. It's going to be the new norm sooner than you think.
I think this is why Toyota is lobbying US gov to be less enthusiastic on EV. They're unprepared. Caught flat footed. Banked too much dev time and resources on hybrids and underestimated how fast EV would come.
I think this is why Toyota is lobbying US gov to be less enthusiastic on EV. They're unprepared. Caught flat footed. Banked too much dev time and resources on hybrids and underestimated how fast EV would come.
Toyota has, at the same time, been the industry leader in hybrid technology, and they also seem to have put their money on hydrogen fuel cell technology for the future.
That said, the charging infrastructure and battery technology are developing rapidly, and I'm confident in predicting that, by the end of this decade, most people will be buying fully electric powered cars. In the mean time, I'll be happy to continue driving a hybrid, which is, for me, a nice transitional step toward owning a vehicle fully powered by electricity.
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Watched the video Mike. It illustrates exactly what people are afraid of with electric cars. No long distance without stopping - sometimes overnite - and who wants to wait 8 hours for a charge? Then there's the fear of not finding a charger in time and getting stuck. I've seen videos where people are carrying a GAS generator in the trunk to charge their car when it runs out of juice. Not for me... I'll take gas, fill up in 5 minutes and be on my way. Not to say it's not coming but it will be a long time before it really works...
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Re 5 min gas fill ups, don't forget w/ EV if you charge in your garage every night, that's like adding "gas" every night. Imagine never having to go to a gas station cause you keep "gas" at home and add a cup or two to make up for what you used? That would take you from a 5 min fill up to a NO fill up meaning no need to even visit the gas station but for the rare time you go on a road trip.
Just presenting unique ways to think of things. I think people will eventually get used to it.
Just presenting unique ways to think of things. I think people will eventually get used to it.
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I thought about that... but for me 99% of my commuting is shorter than 10 miles. And often times when I do want to go on a long drive, I end up renting a car anyway cause it ends up being a road trip etc. But even then you can still charge on long drives--how many go on trips and stop somewhere to eat and have refreshments? Most if not all of the new cars promise a healthy charge in 20 minutes. Trust me I had all these same criticisms before. Should've seen me argue against electric cars.. i was nasty before. but it's starting to solve problems on its own... as i'm sure happened w/ gas cars back in its day.
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Watched the video Mike. It illustrates exactly what people are afraid of with electric cars. No long distance without stopping - sometimes overnite - and who wants to wait 8 hours for a charge? Then there's the fear of not finding a charger in time and getting stuck. I've seen videos where people are carrying a GAS generator in the trunk to charge their car when it runs out of juice. Not for me... I'll take gas, fill up in 5 minutes and be on my way. Not to say it's not coming but it will be a long time before it really works...
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Re 5 min gas fill ups, don't forget w/ EV if you charge in your garage every night, that's like adding "gas" every night. Imagine never having to go to a gas station cause you keep "gas" at home and add a cup or two to make up for what you used? That would take you from a 5 min fill up to a NO fill up meaning no need to even visit the gas station but for the rare time you go on a road trip.
Just presenting unique ways to think of things. I think people will eventually get used to it.
Just presenting unique ways to think of things. I think people will eventually get used to it.
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wmoor004 (03-03-22)
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For those who are concerned about having trouble finding a charging station with a fully electric powered vehicle on longer trips, that is when a plug-in hybrid could well be a nice compromise and bridge between a car powered solely with an ICE and a fully electric vehicle.
For shorter trips, you might never have to make one of those "5 minute" stops at the gas station, and, even on longer trips, you will only be making fewer than half as many of the "5 minute" stops at the gas station as you would have to make with a fully gas-powered car.
For me, I'm still not ready even for a plug-in hybrid, but for many, depending on the kind of driving they do and the cost of buying electricity from their electric service provider, a plug-in hybrid might be a great transitional step beyond that of a regular hybrid on the way toward a fully electric-powered car, and I'm glad to see that Toyota is making the RAV4 Prime and that Lexus will be selling the NX plug-in hybrid.
For shorter trips, you might never have to make one of those "5 minute" stops at the gas station, and, even on longer trips, you will only be making fewer than half as many of the "5 minute" stops at the gas station as you would have to make with a fully gas-powered car.
For me, I'm still not ready even for a plug-in hybrid, but for many, depending on the kind of driving they do and the cost of buying electricity from their electric service provider, a plug-in hybrid might be a great transitional step beyond that of a regular hybrid on the way toward a fully electric-powered car, and I'm glad to see that Toyota is making the RAV4 Prime and that Lexus will be selling the NX plug-in hybrid.
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For those who are concerned about having trouble finding a charging station with a fully electric powered vehicle on longer trips, that is when a plug-in hybrid could well be a nice compromise and bridge between a car powered solely with an ICE and a fully electric vehicle.
For shorter trips, you might never have to make one of those "5 minute" stops at the gas station, and, even on longer trips, you will only be making fewer than half as many of the "5 minute" stops at the gas station as you would have to make with a fully gas-powered car.
For me, I'm still not ready even for a plug-in hybrid, but for many, depending on the kind of driving they do and the cost of buying electricity from their electric service provider, a plug-in hybrid might be a great transitional step beyond that of a regular hybrid on the way toward a fully electric-powered car, and I'm glad to see that Toyota is making the RAV4 Prime and that Lexus will be selling the NX plug-in hybrid.
For shorter trips, you might never have to make one of those "5 minute" stops at the gas station, and, even on longer trips, you will only be making fewer than half as many of the "5 minute" stops at the gas station as you would have to make with a fully gas-powered car.
For me, I'm still not ready even for a plug-in hybrid, but for many, depending on the kind of driving they do and the cost of buying electricity from their electric service provider, a plug-in hybrid might be a great transitional step beyond that of a regular hybrid on the way toward a fully electric-powered car, and I'm glad to see that Toyota is making the RAV4 Prime and that Lexus will be selling the NX plug-in hybrid.
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The good news about plug-in hybrids is that, as battery technology improves in the next few years, the battery capacity should increase, and weight should decrease, resulting in longer fully electric range.
The bad news about the plug-in hybrids and, specifically, the RAV4 Prime, is that, even before the current chip shortages that have affected all cars, demand has exceeded supply by a wide margin. Toyota dealers had long waiting lists to get a RAV4 Prime, and those who have been able to get them have paid as much as $10,000 over MSRP (or more). I'm confident in guessing that the situation will be similar with the NX plug-in hybrid.