Traded my 2019 ES 350 UL for 2021 Genesis G80 3.5T
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Hmmm. Too much for me... I'll stick with Lexus...
Not worth the difference IMO...
I had the opportunity to ride in and drive one of these out in California. I found the interior to be finished off very nicely. The infotainment system was IMO superior to Lexus. I have the ML system which is a disappointment for me, but didn't find their radio much better. Driving was very similar as this one was a rear drive only, not AWD. I do like the looks of the G80.
Well hey, this is why they make chocolate and vanilla...
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I had the opportunity to ride in and drive one of these out in California. I found the interior to be finished off very nicely. The infotainment system was IMO superior to Lexus. I have the ML system which is a disappointment for me, but didn't find their radio much better. Driving was very similar as this one was a rear drive only, not AWD. I do like the looks of the G80.
Well hey, this is why they make chocolate and vanilla...
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Hmmm. Too much for me... I'll stick with Lexus...
Not worth the difference IMO...
I had the opportunity to ride in and drive one of these out in California. I found the interior to be finished off very nicely. The infotainment system was IMO superior to Lexus. I have the ML system which is a disappointment for me, but didn't find their radio much better. Driving was very similar as this one was a rear drive only, not AWD. I do like the looks of the G80.
Well hey, this is why they make chocolate and vanilla...
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I had the opportunity to ride in and drive one of these out in California. I found the interior to be finished off very nicely. The infotainment system was IMO superior to Lexus. I have the ML system which is a disappointment for me, but didn't find their radio much better. Driving was very similar as this one was a rear drive only, not AWD. I do like the looks of the G80.
Well hey, this is why they make chocolate and vanilla...
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Obviously this is a Lexus board, and we love our Lexi. But to be fair to the Genesis and its new owner, in this case it's more like "This is why they make vanilla and premium full-fat French vanilla with solid gold sprinkles on top."
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I'd say the poor dealership experience I had while experiencing the leaky roof made me more willing to give Genesis a try. Besides the lack of brand cachet, the dealership experience is the next biggest drawback for Genesis. In my case, that's not a drawback with how bad the closest Lexus dealership is.
That's fair, and I drove the A6. I liked it as well, but preferred the G80 in almost every way. Still a little sour on the Audi experience after the 2018 Q5 we had.
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Hmmm. Too much for me... I'll stick with Lexus...
Not worth the difference IMO...
I had the opportunity to ride in and drive one of these out in California. I found the interior to be finished off very nicely. The infotainment system was IMO superior to Lexus. I have the ML system which is a disappointment for me, but didn't find their radio much better. Driving was very similar as this one was a rear drive only, not AWD. I do like the looks of the G80.
Well hey, this is why they make chocolate and vanilla...
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I had the opportunity to ride in and drive one of these out in California. I found the interior to be finished off very nicely. The infotainment system was IMO superior to Lexus. I have the ML system which is a disappointment for me, but didn't find their radio much better. Driving was very similar as this one was a rear drive only, not AWD. I do like the looks of the G80.
Well hey, this is why they make chocolate and vanilla...
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Thanks, yeah hopefully these turbos don't cook themselves! No way I was getting the 2.5, I wanted more power for sure. One thing I like about this 3.5T versus Genesis' older 3.3T engines is that it has port and direct injection, which should help its longevity and fighting off carbon build up.
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The sunroof was a factor, and with the cold weather back sure enough it started to drip again. But mostly I just wanted something else. I cycle through daily drivers quite a bit, and with the used market prices being insanely high it was worth more than it was a year ago with way fewer miles. So I decided it'd be as good a time as any to move on, if I could find something else new that wasn't a completely terrible deal.
I'd say the poor dealership experience I had while experiencing the leaky roof made me more willing to give Genesis a try. Besides the lack of brand cachet, the dealership experience is the next biggest drawback for Genesis. In my case, that's not a drawback with how bad the closest Lexus dealership is.
Like mikemu30 said, lots of highway driving. My commute is 120mi/day and mostly highway, so that keeps my average pretty high.
I was able to negotiate a couple grand off of MSRP, which was $68.870 for my car. Not the best deal ever, but for this market I was OK with it.
It's a 21 but I'm the original owner, as I was with my ES. A CPO would have been even sweeter with the longer warranty, but weirdly some used cars are selling for more than new! The 2022's were delayed and should be hitting lots right about now, but all 2022 3.5T's are "sport" models which I did not want. If I could have, I'd have ordered Tasman Blue with the blue leather interior but that's no longer an option for MY22. Which led me to reconsider this one that was on the lot for a small discount. Now, I haven't seen a GV80 SUV that wasn't marked up over MSRP, and I bet the G80 Sport will carry a premium initially too with people waiting.
That's fair, and I drove the A6. I liked it as well, but preferred the G80 in almost every way. Still a little sour on the Audi experience after the 2018 Q5 we had.
I'd say the poor dealership experience I had while experiencing the leaky roof made me more willing to give Genesis a try. Besides the lack of brand cachet, the dealership experience is the next biggest drawback for Genesis. In my case, that's not a drawback with how bad the closest Lexus dealership is.
Like mikemu30 said, lots of highway driving. My commute is 120mi/day and mostly highway, so that keeps my average pretty high.
I was able to negotiate a couple grand off of MSRP, which was $68.870 for my car. Not the best deal ever, but for this market I was OK with it.
It's a 21 but I'm the original owner, as I was with my ES. A CPO would have been even sweeter with the longer warranty, but weirdly some used cars are selling for more than new! The 2022's were delayed and should be hitting lots right about now, but all 2022 3.5T's are "sport" models which I did not want. If I could have, I'd have ordered Tasman Blue with the blue leather interior but that's no longer an option for MY22. Which led me to reconsider this one that was on the lot for a small discount. Now, I haven't seen a GV80 SUV that wasn't marked up over MSRP, and I bet the G80 Sport will carry a premium initially too with people waiting.
That's fair, and I drove the A6. I liked it as well, but preferred the G80 in almost every way. Still a little sour on the Audi experience after the 2018 Q5 we had.
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Thanks, yeah hopefully these turbos don't cook themselves! No way I was getting the 2.5, I wanted more power for sure. One thing I like about this 3.5T versus Genesis' older 3.3T engines is that it has port and direct injection, which should help its longevity and fighting off carbon build up.
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.I'd say the poor dealership experience I had while experiencing the leaky roof made me more willing to give Genesis a try. Besides the lack of brand cachet, the dealership experience is the next biggest drawback for Genesis. In my case, that's not a drawback with how bad the closest Lexus dealership is.
I was able to negotiate a couple grand off of MSRP, which was $68.870 for my car. Not the best deal ever, but for this market I was OK with it.
I was able to negotiate a couple grand off of MSRP, which was $68.870 for my car. Not the best deal ever, but for this market I was OK with it.
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Genesis gets rave reviews for technology. What cool tech features does your G80 have that the ES doesn't? My favorite tech feature is the bird's eye view. Does the G80 have the same? If so, how does the implementation compare? Does the ES have any cool features that the G80 doesn't?
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Genesis gets rave reviews for technology. What cool tech features does your G80 have that the ES doesn't? My favorite tech feature is the bird's eye view. Does the G80 have the same? If so, how does the implementation compare? Does the ES have any cool features that the G80 doesn't?
A few other neat tech features of the G80:
The camera in that pops up in the gauges when the turn signal is activated is mildly helpful.
The app on the phone is better than Lexus, because you can use it as a key once you enroll it. You can also use it to take and view photos using the surround view cameras.
All of the driving assist features are a whole different level, they work incredibly well. There's a neat view on the HUD and gauges when all of the Highway Driving Assist features are on, showing the car placed in the lane the cameras see and all of the other vehicles it detects.
I can't think of anything tech wise the ES had that's not on the G80. But some more things I liked better with the ES:
- I think the Lexus triple beam LEDs are better, especially on Low. Oncoming drivers may not agree lol
- In the cabin, Lexus' experience sweating the details shines through in the way some of the features are easier to use and/or you don't have to think about. Features that look the same on paper are easier to use in the ES. I forget what it was called, climate concierge or something like that, but I could set the seats, steering wheel, and climate all to auto and the car would turn it all on if its cold or switch to cooling on a long drive because it knew my back was too warm.
- Same deal with the auto high beams stayed, which stayed in "auto" until taken out. In the G80 I have to reengage the auto high beams every time I start the car if I want to use that feature. Which is annoying
- Same deal with the parking brake.
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[QUOTE=AllinCLE;11221483]Well, I decided to part ways with my '19 ES 350 Ultra Luxury. I enjoyed my time with it overall, sunroof issues notwithstanding. It was a great car and exactly what I expected it to be: a supremely comfortable and quiet cruiser to eat up the miles on my long commute. Competent if you pushed the pace, but not an ounce of sporting pretension to speak of. The G80's certainly possesses more athleticism, but it isn't particularly sporty either, with an identity that is also firmly in the comfort end of the luxury spectrum. I'm not going to make unfair comparisons, there is a big gap in price and the G80 has its sights set on the German competition. Obviously I think its better or I wouldn't have parted with the ES plus a hefty amount of cash, but here's some areas I think the ES was/is superior:
Value: No question, the ES is a great car and an even better value.
Stereo: The Mark Levinson sounds wonderful in the ES, and initially I give it the edge over the Lexicon in my G80...I say initially because I haven't played with the settings to get it optimized like I did with the ML.
Fuel Economy. The 7th Gen ES 350 is shockingly efficient in my experience (and yes, of course the hybrid is even better still). I logged every mile driven and every gallon of gas I pumped into my ES, and over just under 52K miles averaged 30.4 MPG (or 3.29 g/100mi). Comparing to the EPA's 3.8 gallons per 100 mile rating (a better, linear indicator of efficiency), I beat it by 13.41%. Best tank was 35.9 MPG, worst was 25.8. To me that's incredible in a luxury sedan of this size/weight and with a NA V6 engine making 300HP. The G80 is nowhere near as efficient, averaging 26mpg so far in my hands. Still not bad considering it's much heavier, twin turbo's, and AWD. It costs me about 3 cents per mile more in fuel, due both to the decreased efficiency and the use of premium.
Steering wheel: I loved the steering wheel in in the ES, it looks and feels much better than the odd design of the G80's.
Forum: Way better forum here! And a lot more active users.
If there's anything you're curious about between the two cars, I'm happy to give my opinion. I plan stick around, as we've got my partners 21 Rx 350 still as well.[/QUOTE
CONGRATULATIONS! i am sure you did some VERY serious thinking before you signed on the dotted line.
The Genesis is the new kid on the block compared to the Lexus, it will be interesting to see how the Genesis holds up.
Value: No question, the ES is a great car and an even better value.
Stereo: The Mark Levinson sounds wonderful in the ES, and initially I give it the edge over the Lexicon in my G80...I say initially because I haven't played with the settings to get it optimized like I did with the ML.
Fuel Economy. The 7th Gen ES 350 is shockingly efficient in my experience (and yes, of course the hybrid is even better still). I logged every mile driven and every gallon of gas I pumped into my ES, and over just under 52K miles averaged 30.4 MPG (or 3.29 g/100mi). Comparing to the EPA's 3.8 gallons per 100 mile rating (a better, linear indicator of efficiency), I beat it by 13.41%. Best tank was 35.9 MPG, worst was 25.8. To me that's incredible in a luxury sedan of this size/weight and with a NA V6 engine making 300HP. The G80 is nowhere near as efficient, averaging 26mpg so far in my hands. Still not bad considering it's much heavier, twin turbo's, and AWD. It costs me about 3 cents per mile more in fuel, due both to the decreased efficiency and the use of premium.
Steering wheel: I loved the steering wheel in in the ES, it looks and feels much better than the odd design of the G80's.
Forum: Way better forum here! And a lot more active users.
If there's anything you're curious about between the two cars, I'm happy to give my opinion. I plan stick around, as we've got my partners 21 Rx 350 still as well.[/QUOTE
CONGRATULATIONS! i am sure you did some VERY serious thinking before you signed on the dotted line.
The Genesis is the new kid on the block compared to the Lexus, it will be interesting to see how the Genesis holds up.