ES Hybrid Issues?
05-12-22, 10:57 AM
#16
Lexus Test Driver
That's true you'll love NO belts, no pulleys, no transmission, no alternator.
I have to correct you on the water pump though. the water in a hybrid still has to circulate somehow
in fact if I'm not mistaken it does have two water pumps, one for the inverter, and two water circuits.
I have to correct you on the water pump though. the water in a hybrid still has to circulate somehow
in fact if I'm not mistaken it does have two water pumps, one for the inverter, and two water circuits.
05-12-22, 11:53 AM
#17
Its an electric pump so one never has to worry about it going bad. Kinda like the power steering being electric.
05-12-22, 11:55 AM
#18
Lexus Test Driver
i take it you don't have experience working on cars? lol
05-12-22, 12:00 PM
#19
05-12-22, 12:13 PM
#20
Lexus Test Driver
highly doubt that.
"it's electric and never have to worry about it going bad" and no that's not how that works. not even close. that by definition tells me you lack experience & knowledge. and i won't comment further on this topic. i already know what i need to know just by reading your post. case closed.
"it's electric and never have to worry about it going bad" and no that's not how that works. not even close. that by definition tells me you lack experience & knowledge. and i won't comment further on this topic. i already know what i need to know just by reading your post. case closed.
05-12-22, 12:19 PM
#21
We've had a 2013 and 2019 300h. It is my wife's daily driver, although with gas prices where they are we have recently been using it more for 150 mi roundtrips to family. When we were first considering the car, my concerns with the hybrid were dependability and long durability. During that time I happened to be in NYC on business and was amazed to see the huge number of cabs that were Camry hybrids. As in 2013 the 4 cylinder engine w/electric motor was the same in both the Camry and ES300h, this gave me significant comfort with my concerns.
We have had no issues with either 300h.
We have had no issues with either 300h.
05-12-22, 12:35 PM
#22
Pole Position
For purposes of OP's question, I'm sure the ES 300h is exceptionally reliable (and all Toyota/Lexus hybrids now warranty their hybrid battery for 10/150, even better).
But I'd like to see evidence of this J.D. Power claim. At first blush, the Prius is even more tested technology, in a simpler car that's been around longer, built in Japan, and has notably better reliability ratings in Consumer Reports surveys than any other car you can buy, including the ES (CR admittedly doesn't break out the ES hybrid from the gas-engine version, but the Prius is more reliable even in the non-engine parts of the car). A quick search suggested the ES 300h is probably the new J.D. Power reliability benchmark for the luxury class — is that what you meant to say?
But I'd like to see evidence of this J.D. Power claim. At first blush, the Prius is even more tested technology, in a simpler car that's been around longer, built in Japan, and has notably better reliability ratings in Consumer Reports surveys than any other car you can buy, including the ES (CR admittedly doesn't break out the ES hybrid from the gas-engine version, but the Prius is more reliable even in the non-engine parts of the car). A quick search suggested the ES 300h is probably the new J.D. Power reliability benchmark for the luxury class — is that what you meant to say?
https://www.jdpower.com/business/pre...dability-study
05-12-22, 01:10 PM
#23
Most Dependable Model: The Lexus ES is the highest-ranked model in the 2020 study. Its score of 52 PP100 is the best ever recorded in the 31-year history of the study.
https://www.jdpower.com/business/pre...dability-study
https://www.jdpower.com/business/pre...dability-study
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05-12-22, 01:12 PM
#24
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highly doubt that.
"it's electric and never have to worry about it going bad" and no that's not how that works. not even close. that by definition tells me you lack experience & knowledge. and i won't comment further on this topic. i already know what i need to know just by reading your post. case closed.
"it's electric and never have to worry about it going bad" and no that's not how that works. not even close. that by definition tells me you lack experience & knowledge. and i won't comment further on this topic. i already know what i need to know just by reading your post. case closed.
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05-12-22, 03:07 PM
#25
Hmmm... That's a survey of three year old 2017 vehicles conducted in 2020. So that "finding" applies to the three year old sixth generation ES. While one may hope the all new design seventh generation ES will have similar or better three year dependability status, the jury's still out until data gets collected on three year old seventh generation ESs.
I've noticed from the CR data that there has been a slight dropoff in reliability across the board for nearly all the new TNGA vehicles (Camry, ES, Avalon, Corolla, RAV4 among them) compared to their predecessors. Prius and Highlander seem to be among the few to have escaped it. It'll be interesting to see what happens to that going forward.
05-12-22, 03:18 PM
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05-12-22, 05:04 PM
#27
As far as MPG it will greatly depend on your commute. My average is about 37MPG but my commute is 6 miles one way and has a lot of stop lights on the way. Taking kid to school or sport practice is another short commute and there is not enough time for car to run through the warm up cycle. On freeway I usually get about 41MPG at 80MPH. If you'll go to any fuel tracking website you'll see that average is between 36-38 It is very difficult to get 43MPG.
But 37 is 100% better than ES350.
Even though it has instant torque it is not as fast as ES350 but if you put it in sports mode it is not as bad. I personally love it.
I didn't discover any major or minor issues.
But 37 is 100% better than ES350.
Even though it has instant torque it is not as fast as ES350 but if you put it in sports mode it is not as bad. I personally love it.
I didn't discover any major or minor issues.
05-12-22, 11:23 PM
#28
Since the last refuel (about 450 miles of mixed driving), mine says 48.0 MPG.
Until now (cold weather) it was around 45 MPG.
Until now (cold weather) it was around 45 MPG.
05-13-22, 02:02 AM
#29
Pit Crew
Thread Starter
I dropped the hammer on a 2022 300h yesterday (it's being delivered today). It had just been dropped off (plastic still on the body, I put the first miles on it for my test drive). I am hoping I will like it as much as my 2013 GS, which I love. In fact, I resisted upgrading the past couple of years because I enjoyed the GS so much, but with gas prices being what they are, and with little hope of improvement, as well as the current trade-in value, I felt now was the time. As a shade-tree mechanic for 40 years, I will miss having stuff to do on this car.
Thanks again for all the input.
Thanks again for all the input.
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