I feel the same way about the 4 cylinder turbo engine.

 

When comparing the 2.0 Turbo in my RDX to my ES V6 and Accord V6, the turbo has more low and mid-range torque but falls off fairly quickly on the top end. The V6 has a very linear response and pulls harder throughout the rev range. I like the smoothness of the V6 but the 2.0T can be fun driving around town and backroads. I can't say that I prefer one over the other because I enjoy the difference in their "personalities." I am inclined to believe that the V6s will have more longevity, especially since direct injection with the turbo 4s can lead to oil dilution. I'm sure I'll also end up with an EV at some point and will enjoy that too.

 

Others in here may differ on this, but I believe that EV's will take the fun out of driving. The ICE has benefits like that rev and that powerful engine sound when driving. The EV's can't do that.

 

GS and NX, 2016-2020

 

As much as I love the sound of a roaring V8 I can also see enjoying 0-60 times of less than 4 seconds and the instantaneous torque of an EV. I don't think you have to give up one for the other, as long as they don't eliminate gasoline altogether. I believe that a true automotive enthusiast enjoys all types of vehicles and modes of power delivery. If I had my choice I would have a 60s musclecar, my ES, a new F-150 Lightning pickup, an Audi E-tron GT and a Porsche 911 Turbo. Since I'm not rich I'll just have to dream.

 

While I think an open mind is valuable, I can't bring myself to be quite that ecumenical. I don't burn with ambition to check out a Detroit cute-ute "powered" by three vibrating cylinders, or to lurch down the street in a smoke-spewing '63 Trabant. I'd rather have acceleration than lack it, but I'd also rather have smoothness than roughness and hear harmonious tones instead of gritty ones.

 

I traded in a Honda Accord sport 1.5 L turbo for my F sport and I can tell you 100% for sure the V-6 has much more power. I was running the Ktuner stage 2 tune on my 1.5 L and while that definitely woke the car up and it felt really strong from 0 to 30 mph it has nothing on the V6 in the F sport. Well except for the gas mileage that car could pull down 27 mpg in the city…lol.. You need to throw the ES in sport mode and put your foot in it to feel what the car can do. It really starts to make power around 3500 RPM and starts to sing a really nice note around 5000 RPMs. And the ES 350 really likes to roll down the highway at about 80 miles an hour and still has plenty of passing power at that speed.

 

I agree. I consider myself an automotive enthusiast and can appreciate all kinds of cars… but what sucks is we’re about to be forced to buy only one type of vehicle when EVs take over.

 

I don’t know how old these turbo engines you owned were but the new turbo fours today have very little to no lag and usually build max torque around 1500 RPMs. They can really be quite satisfying to drive in the right package like the Volkswagen Golf R.

 

For sure and not even debatable.

 

VW/Audi and BMW arguably have the best 2 0t's . As these engines continue to become more widespread from other manufacturers they'll continue improving. I still like having a choice between one of these and a V6.

 

I was mainly comparing the Eco mode in both cars but I probably spoke too soon because I haven’t had a chance to drive it aggressively in eco since I only have 500 miles on it and I’m letting it break in. I think I’m gonna start driving it in Normal mode now that I have 500 miles on it to further help with the break in process. There’s no doubt the ES is faster because I test drove a 21 before I bought my car and really put my foot into it. I hear ya on the Accord 1.5 gas mileage. I was getting 29 mpg because I do 95% city driving. That’s the only thing I really miss about my Accord compared to my ES.

 

I believe that. Building a 4-cylinder turbo isn't rocket surgery for a modern automaker. If you're not Korean, you can get it right (VW/Audi water pumps excepted). Owners just have to be diligent about their oil changes.

 

Exactly, its not like its anything new. My first car was a 95 Volvo 850 Turbo with a I-5 Turbo that made it to 171,000 miles WITH mods to 400-500hp such as a larger turbo and nitrous. Engine was still good, the transmission went. There are plenty of reliable examples in prior decades as well (such as the various Volvo/Audi/Saab I-4 and I-5s) although not all were kings of performance.

The innovation of 6, then 8-10 speed transmissions really helped to keep the smaller turbo engines in their peak torque band to provide a great driving experience. The Volvo with the 4 speed back in 95 wasn't always in the right spot due to the limited ratio choices. With more gears, car makers can also install a lower geared differential for more torque to the ground without the gas mileage penalty in overdrive.

 

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