Hybrid 300h vs V6 ES350? (Merged threads)
07-05-22, 11:00 AM
#166
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07-05-22, 12:08 PM
#168
Instructor
No love loss here. Hehe. As long as you are buying the vehicle for the right reasons it is all good. I am just surprise some people drive mostly in the stop and go traffic then complain their V6 gets awful mpg. Getting the right tool for the job is important.
07-05-22, 12:09 PM
#169
Instructor
Definitely get the hybrid, especially with the way gas prices are now, I have an ES250 AWD and I love it, I drive over 20k miles a year commuting to Boston and the 28.7 combined MPG I am averaging is not terrible but makes me wish I had the Hybrid instead. I had to get the AWD because I drive through snow in the winter and I don't want t6o have top buy and store snow tires. If they ever come out with an ES hybrid with AWD I am buying it on the spot. The ES300h drives great, is very reliable, possibly quieter and the ES350 and will be amazing when it comes to saving you fuel expenses every month. I pay about $64 a week just for gas.
I get 28.8 mpg to 29 mpg combined average both in my 2022 Avalon Limited V6 and in my 2022 ES350 V6 Ultra Luxury. We get the same gas mileage in each of our V6's with combined driving that you get in your 4 cylinder ES250 and each of our vehicles has more horsepower and torque than the ES250.
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07-05-22, 01:26 PM
#170
Lexus Test Driver
of course but when you drive 500 miles/month, who gives a rat's behind about mpg😍
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07-05-22, 04:26 PM
#171
rooseveltd,
I get 28.8 mpg to 29 mpg combined average both in my 2022 Avalon Limited V6 and in my 2022 ES350 V6 Ultra Luxury. We get the same gas mileage in each of our V6's with combined driving that you get in your 4 cylinder ES250 and each of our vehicles has more horsepower and torque than the ES250.
I get 28.8 mpg to 29 mpg combined average both in my 2022 Avalon Limited V6 and in my 2022 ES350 V6 Ultra Luxury. We get the same gas mileage in each of our V6's with combined driving that you get in your 4 cylinder ES250 and each of our vehicles has more horsepower and torque than the ES250.
07-05-22, 05:14 PM
#172
Lexus Test Driver
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07-06-22, 10:21 AM
#173
Interesting, I didn't know there was a difference in drag between the two, since they're the same body with no noticeable differences, other than the rear bumper.
CA gas prices, I feel ya. Definitely feels much better to fill this up than my V6 previously every 4 days (and on Premium gas). Longest stretch I've gone between fill-ups with my 300h is 11 days even though I didn't drive much at all on some of those days. Right now I'm at 7 days with little more than half a tank and 275mi on the range left (I think I did 250mi on it so far).
CA gas prices, I feel ya. Definitely feels much better to fill this up than my V6 previously every 4 days (and on Premium gas). Longest stretch I've gone between fill-ups with my 300h is 11 days even though I didn't drive much at all on some of those days. Right now I'm at 7 days with little more than half a tank and 275mi on the range left (I think I did 250mi on it so far).
the cool thing about the V6 i would like is the sound/drama of starting an engine in the morning. hybrids are so boring to start up. LOL
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07-06-22, 10:52 AM
#174
Lexus Test Driver
It seems the difference comes down to the active shutters on the hybrid. you can see them in the front grill opening. Given the low load/low demand on the ICE with the hybrid, it can likely drive with the shutters closed or partially closed much of the time. would be fun to see a tech doc to see specifically how they operate.
the cool thing about the V6 i would like is the sound/drama of starting an engine in the morning. hybrids are so boring to start up. LOL
the cool thing about the V6 i would like is the sound/drama of starting an engine in the morning. hybrids are so boring to start up. LOL
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07-06-22, 11:15 AM
#175
Lead Lap
It seems the difference comes down to the active shutters on the hybrid. you can see them in the front grill opening. Given the low load/low demand on the ICE with the hybrid, it can likely drive with the shutters closed or partially closed much of the time. would be fun to see a tech doc to see specifically how they operate.
07-06-22, 01:07 PM
#176
Instructor
I’ve driven 234 miles so far and I still have over 1/2 tank of gas left inside my ES350’s gas tank. I don’t know how my average mpg jumped up to 3 mpg more. I drive very smoothly and within the posted speed limit on city roads and I don’t drive anymore than 65 - 67 mph on the highway. Maybe my car is just one of those vehicles that’s blessed to get higher mpg gasoline economy than some other ES350’s out there. I cannot explain that phenomenon.
07-06-22, 04:09 PM
#177
It seems the difference comes down to the active shutters on the hybrid. you can see them in the front grill opening. Given the low load/low demand on the ICE with the hybrid, it can likely drive with the shutters closed or partially closed much of the time. would be fun to see a tech doc to see specifically how they operate.
the cool thing about the V6 i would like is the sound/drama of starting an engine in the morning. hybrids are so boring to start up. LOL
the cool thing about the V6 i would like is the sound/drama of starting an engine in the morning. hybrids are so boring to start up. LOL
They stay open when you turn the car off. They stay open if the temp drops below freezing. Also open when the A/C is on.
They remain closed when there’s plenty of cold water inside the radiator and when you drive on EV.
07-06-22, 05:26 PM
#178
Lead Lap
What you said that is correct is that, when the car is shut down, the shutters move to the open position.
07-06-22, 05:30 PM
#179
Instructor
I don't believe that is correct. Actually, when the temperature is below freezing, that is when the active shutters close. As I said in my previous post, when it is very cold and when the shutters are closed, that helps the ICE to retain heat, which, in turn, means that the ICE doesn't have to run as much to maintain heat, and that means that the traction battery can be used to power the car more. What you said that is correct is that, when the car is shut down, the shutters move to the open position.
07-06-22, 06:26 PM
#180
Lead Lap