Hybrid 300h vs V6 ES350? (Merged threads)
#91
Pole Position
Are you sure about that. May I ask the source for that info? I ask because a family member has to replace a battery in a hybrid Camry about 8 years ago and that was the cost then. Prius batteries are down to $2200 now so I would have expected these larger batteries to see a drop as well. Also, isn’t the new ES battery Lithium Ion? I assume these newer batteries are more expensive than the older nickel metal hydride models.
#92
2019-2020 has nickel metal hydride.
2021+ has Li-ion battery.
As you can see, the MSRP is much lower:
https://parts.lexus.com/p/Lexus_2019...951033110.html
2021+ has Li-ion battery.
As you can see, the MSRP is much lower:
https://parts.lexus.com/p/Lexus_2019...951033110.html
#93
Instructor
Just FYI that's not the case in Canada. I know most people in this thread are Yanks but FYI for others that read that. No Li-Ion in ES300h in Canada, not for 2021 or 2022. Likely due to the extreme cold the batteries can experience here.
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#94
Pole Position
2019-2020 has nickel metal hydride.
2021+ has Li-ion battery.
As you can see, the MSRP is much lower:
https://parts.lexus.com/p/Lexus_2019...951033110.html
2021+ has Li-ion battery.
As you can see, the MSRP is much lower:
https://parts.lexus.com/p/Lexus_2019...951033110.html
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ESh (03-01-22)
#95
by the time these batteries need to be replaced (12-15 years at least) they're going to be dirt cheap. cheaper than a transmission.
i mean right now you can already get a replacement battery for $1200 lol
i mean right now you can already get a replacement battery for $1200 lol
#96
Instructor
Now with rising fuel cost I come to love my ES300h even more. I like hybrid so much that a few months ago I got my wife a hybrid of her own: Toyota Venza. Toyota is the king of reliability when it comes to hybrids. Regular fuel (Octane 87) in our area at $3.60 and it is projected to hit $5 with Ukraine situation in near future.
#97
In countries where gas prices have already been high for the last 5 years, the v6 have very poor resale value. The hybrid commands at least 40% more than petrol only after 3 years of ownership.
Last edited by 703; 03-01-22 at 04:48 PM.
#98
My 2013 ES300h is the most reliable car I ever had with 0 issues after 9 years. Even if the resale value is a few hundred dollars less I am pretty sure that overall the cost of ownership is less than the ES350 including savings from gas, and maintenance like brake pads or an absence of serpentine belt.
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#99
Instructor
All of those material savings ultimately translate to saving in time which is priceless. For some people time is money. There are only 24 hours in a day no matter how rich one is.
#100
Instructor
And it will take many years to recoup savings when buying a hybrid. It will take 6 to 10 years to translate savings when buying a hybrid. It makes no difference because it comes out the same. You either pay more up front for a hybrid or pay higher gas price. It all comes out the same at the end.
#101
Instructor
I beg to differ. It depends on the hybrid vehicle. Take the current RAV4 Hybrid for example the price of hybrid is just about $1,200 more compare to non-hybrid version. Depending on how many miles you drive in a given year you can break even between 2-4 years. It's quicker now with rising fuel price. Things like maintenance requires downtime such as scheduling appointment, dropping vehicle off, waiting for mechanic to fix , etc. Those hours add up. Even pumping fuel may take a few minutes but it adds up to hours over the life of the vehicle.
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#102
Instructor
I personally don’t care to own a hybrid Lexus. They are underpowered with a 4 cylinder engine and they have much less horsepower than the 6 cylinder engine. The engine is anemic. Period.
#103
You have two kinds of people: 1. People that want more hp and a lot of tranny issues; 2. People that want 45 mpg and serene ride.
#104
And for the ES, the hybrid is a more appropriate drivetrain.
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#105
Lexus Test Driver