E46CT

I only had my Tesla a couple months. But yes I rented a Prius and a Camry for long trips fully loaded with gear and people and stuff -- while I had my non-EV cars. I don't want my friends banging up my car with their bags, gear, shoes, etc. Not saying I would do it for every trip, it would be situational, where going, who's coming, etc. Also with long trips, you share driving. there's some people i do not want driving my car.. lol. For $40, it's not a bad trade off! Plus you split the cost so it's even cheaper.

mikemu30

Yeah the Tesla "do not fully charge" thing was news to me as well. My coworker told me you set the limits to ensure you don't mess something up. So the true range is really 80% of what they advertise. I'm just not sold yet on EV. Maybe hybrid for my wife Stay tuned.

BBQapple

We have an IS350 F RWD with the 8 speed and a 7ES hybrid that wife and I share. Both powertrains are really great, I’d say the hybrid is my favorite around town in traffic while the V6 8 speed I prefer the rest of the time.

A plug-in hybrid ES would be my ideal car, like with the NX450h+ powertrain doing 0-60 in around 6 seconds. Or a Panamera plug-in if I could 10x my bank account lol.

alextv

I think one point that is being made here is the advertised mileage does not tell you the whole story and not accurate in the real world. The average person sees this and thinks that is what he will get consistently and counts on that in his decision to buy. EPA estimates for ICE and hybrid vehicles are pretty accurate and generally be beat. But as said if you very rarely take trips plugging in at home or nearby should work so long as power is not off. Tesla does have a good network for charging depending on where you are and where you are going. Toyota on that you tube video mentioned hydrogen is what they are really looking into but a network like what Tesla did would have to be in place. California right now is only place there hydrogen vehicle is for sale now.

BBQapple

People talk about electricity needing to be working withoit a blackout from power grids or weather to charge an electric car as if it’s a limitation, but we forget that modern gas pumps also don’t work in a blackout. I guess an army style manual pump on a barrel of gasoline would work but the average person doesn’t have access to that.

The new Prius with solar on the roof is a fun zombie apocalypse fantasy though…

BBQapple

It just occurred to me this is going to be a costly loss over time especially as electricity prices rise. Every night, part of the charge you paid for drains away into the ethers.

alextv

A lot of businesses have backup generators and I have seen gas stations still operating during power outages but that doesn't mean all have generators. Tesla stations could also have generators and the homeowner could also be proactive by having one. I always fill up previous to major storm just in case.

LS500Fan

Apparently if you have a RWD Model 3 you are recommended to charge to 100% all the time, at least once per week minimum. That is because it uses a lithium iron phosphate, battery, not lithium ion.

mikemu30

You mean electricity isn't free and doesn't grow on trees? Oh my goodness.

BBQapple

No one claimed or implied that..

mikemu30

Cmon really 🙄

BBQapple

Everyone knows it costs money to fuel or charge a car, very few buyers know an electric car will lose part of that charge overnight.

Literally no one thinks either “grows on trees” as the saying goes.

Skynet

I totally agree... EVs are part of the solution but, at the moment, simply can't compete with ICE for some some applications.

BBQapple

Tesla charging infrastructure is pretty solid, Electricity America not so much.

mikemu30

Hmmm I thought some folks actually believed that - go figure.