buy ES2022h UL now or wait for 2023 ES300h UL
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Yep... a lot of haters of California -- Newsom what have you, are taking a little sliver of a thread of a news media story and whatever (toxic) people are regurgitating in the comments section and running with it as if they've discovered the "gotcha moment" they've been waiting their whole lives for.
The recommendation as you said was just a help eachother help everyone sort of thing. People charge their cars overnight anyway at home.
At some point we were using gas-powered washing machines..
The recommendation as you said was just a help eachother help everyone sort of thing. People charge their cars overnight anyway at home.
At some point we were using gas-powered washing machines..
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Having trouble with a 2018 ES300h Battery. I'm ready to move on. Question is; Should I buy a 2022h UL for $1500. below MSRP, Is this a fair deal?
Or wait 5 months for 2023 ES300h UL.nearer to MSRP? I understand it's my choice. Anyone have any info or experience? I know trade in value will be lower on the 2022 later on.
Don't care about interior changes. 2022 Car is not a year old. Was just one of the last few made.
Thanks for any knowledge or info.
I had thought about waiting for full electric, but with outages in Socal. happening often, more so with all the new electric cars, I am staying with Hybrids
Or wait 5 months for 2023 ES300h UL.nearer to MSRP? I understand it's my choice. Anyone have any info or experience? I know trade in value will be lower on the 2022 later on.
Don't care about interior changes. 2022 Car is not a year old. Was just one of the last few made.
Thanks for any knowledge or info.
I had thought about waiting for full electric, but with outages in Socal. happening often, more so with all the new electric cars, I am staying with Hybrids
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Not everything in the 23 update is liked by everyone…I for one hate open cup holders, as I find them cheap looking. In a luxury oriented vehicle there should be a lid on it, like the LS does.
Last edited by ATL350; 09-02-22 at 02:27 PM.
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And speaking in my capacity as an old fart, I'll miss the CD player. Then again, I still miss the cassette player. :.D
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lbrooks (09-09-22)
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Laws have made it illegal to use cell phones while in use due to safety concern, which I agree with, but a touchscreen interface for basic car functions is not much better.
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LexFinally (09-02-22)
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I think we're all guilty of phone use during driving and I always found it far easier to navigate my phone than the HVAC controls on my TLX. The Audi screen is lower and since it uses capacitive screen versus resistive like in the TLX, there's more room for error. Granted Honda/Acura did use the best interface for what should be intuitive, but just changing the fan speed could be challenging enough.
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Having trouble with a 2018 ES300h Battery. I'm ready to move on. Question is; Should I buy a 2022h UL for $1500. below MSRP, Is this a fair deal?
Or wait 5 months for 2023 ES300h UL.nearer to MSRP? I understand it's my choice. Anyone have any info or experience? I know trade in value will be lower on the 2022 later on.
Don't care about interior changes. 2022 Car is not a year old. Was just one of the last few made.
Thanks for any knowledge or info.
I had thought about waiting for full electric, but with outages in Socal. happening often, more so with all the new electric cars, I am staying with Hybrids
Or wait 5 months for 2023 ES300h UL.nearer to MSRP? I understand it's my choice. Anyone have any info or experience? I know trade in value will be lower on the 2022 later on.
Don't care about interior changes. 2022 Car is not a year old. Was just one of the last few made.
Thanks for any knowledge or info.
I had thought about waiting for full electric, but with outages in Socal. happening often, more so with all the new electric cars, I am staying with Hybrids
You will keep the car for several years and in any case they infotainment it will become old so at least I would WAIT to have the newest possible option of the 2023 model (the one I personally already ordered). You will regret otherwise...
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In the A8 even Audi goes to a lid for a more luxurious appearance.
Last edited by ATL350; 09-03-22 at 11:22 AM.
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My situation as others I am sure are at or close is my lease on UL is coming at an end in Dec and at the dilemma of to buy my vehicle or upgrade to the 2023 as I have $12000+ equity. I have told the manager I would have to have an exceptional deal to make the trade. The technological advance of the infotainment system is quite an advantage over my 2020 especially with the wireless android auto. To see first hand from people that have actually used the new system I looked at the NX forum and asked about the wireless capability and other advancements as I have seen the wireless adaptors available now have lots of problems. Disconnect from the new system all have said is extremely rare but have also said at times the system needs to be rebooted not associated with wireless. The cloud navigation from responders have said it is not reliable so not much better than now. Also short trips only for wireless as battery drain and phone getting hot. What I have now works fine especially if I use more of the voice functions. It will have to be a heck of a deal for me to switch and thinking keeping 3 more years as Lexus has said 20 more options available by 2025. Was told by Lexus couple of years ago that hydrogen fuel cell is what they are looking at but I think the big push for electric has made them rethink that. If buying now I would wait for the 2023. As for the open cup holder the door for the one we have now always stays open as I always put the phone in back slot and in my 2001 LS430 UL cupholders always out as something always goes in when entering car. It's all personal preference. Any questions about new interface just head over to NX forum.
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I'm going to second the advice of both Lexfinally and UltraLux22, both are spot on imo.
Unless you absolutely have to have the revised infotainment and center console area update, you're essentially getting the same vehicle. A lot of dealerships pulled a lot of discounts or savings because well, they're just taking advantage of the shortages. I admit I don't watch much TV, but I don't see any commercials or ads of "LABOR DAY SALES" going on from any dealership (and I drive by two automalls 3 times a week). Heck, the 300h is at a $5k markup around here within a 200 mile radius and many dealerships I spoke with months ago when I first started my search were unwilling to drop that ADM even with my funds in hand. This is behavior for another topic, but it indicates there aren't going to be a lot of discounts handed out, unless you know someone pretty high up within the dealership.
As for waiting, the typical timeline of cars is a bit off course thanks to chip shortages. You're most likely not going to get the exact spec you want and sacrifice one or more features. Any car you can get right now at MSRP is a fair enough deal, anything below that is more than fair right now. The days of getting close to invoice pricing are no longer here.
Unless you absolutely have to have the revised infotainment and center console area update, you're essentially getting the same vehicle. A lot of dealerships pulled a lot of discounts or savings because well, they're just taking advantage of the shortages. I admit I don't watch much TV, but I don't see any commercials or ads of "LABOR DAY SALES" going on from any dealership (and I drive by two automalls 3 times a week). Heck, the 300h is at a $5k markup around here within a 200 mile radius and many dealerships I spoke with months ago when I first started my search were unwilling to drop that ADM even with my funds in hand. This is behavior for another topic, but it indicates there aren't going to be a lot of discounts handed out, unless you know someone pretty high up within the dealership.
As for waiting, the typical timeline of cars is a bit off course thanks to chip shortages. You're most likely not going to get the exact spec you want and sacrifice one or more features. Any car you can get right now at MSRP is a fair enough deal, anything below that is more than fair right now. The days of getting close to invoice pricing are no longer here.
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I got $6500 off msrp initially and current would pay msrp minus lexus cash 1k and military 1k so 2k discount with lease. With equity which would normally be 0 I would be getting around 14k off msrp. Used values will start to settle down as supply chains ease and the inflated equity will be gone. I feel it will be a long time before dealers offer discounts off msrp even after supply issues are resolved. Wireless AA to me would be a big plus as adaptors have problems. NX forum did say phone gets too hot to leave in pocket.