asadani

Hi everyone, I'm still waiting for my ES 350 2023 to arrive, however, I did see the genesis GV70 v4 (turbo) readily available. The new RX 350 is also a v4 which I'm not impressed with. Any advice on the longevity of the genesis etc? My Audi q5 as usual is on its way to the dealership for yet another repair and I can't wait to get rid of it and Lexus shows no sign of delivery

peteharvey

Back in 2010, my brother in law had to bring his Audi Q5 back to the dealer three times under warranty because his 2.0 Turbo Diesel water pump failed.

My friend had a brand new Audi Q7 of the previous generation, and he said it was costing him nearly $3k to service and repair every year.
Last year, he said the fuel injection nozzles cost him nearly $5k to replace, but then later last year, Audi quoted him $8k to repair an oil leak - so he traded his old Q7 for a brand new Mercedes GLE.

Turbocharged engines work under high pressures and stresses.
Mechanics say that they routinely come across atmospheric V6's and V8's that have travelled say 200,000 miles before major repairs.
However, mechanics says that they rarely come across a turbocharged engine that has reached 200,000 miles without major repairs.

Back in the late 1980's, the Formula 1 engines were 1.5 L V6 Twin Turbos.
They would race at 2.5 bars, which is about 2.5 times atmospheric pressure, and the engine would have to be rebuilt after 2 races.
However, there was a control in the cockpit that allowed the F1 driver to dial up the turbo boost to 4.5 bars, which is about 4.5 times atmospheric pressure, but at this boost the F1 driver could only do a single lap qualifying, or a maximum of 5 minutes, because more than 5 minutes at 4.5 bars and the engine would blow up.

Hope that roughly answers your question on longevity of turbo Genesis.

ATL350

Genesis is making some fine looking cars and have come a long way, but personally, I wouldn't have one until they get their own stand alone dealer network, otherwise you have to deal with a Kia dealership. No thanks.

The GV70 is going to be a lot more of a sporty character (as in firm ride) than the RX (smaller too, I think), so if quiet and a comfortable ride are important to you, it might be something to consider.

Mike728

Turbos are very dependable nowadays. Plus, you'll get a 10 year standard powertrain warranty from Genesis to ease your worries.

That said, the GV70 and the ES350 are not the same type of vehicle. It's best if you can determine which one you want to drive, before making this type of purchase.

Mike728

I would rather it was linked to Kia than Hyundai. Our local Kia dealer is very clean and relatively upscale, when compared to the local Hyundai dealer. If they ever do break free, it would do a lot to help the brand.

LexBob2

Just to clarify, the 4-cylinder engines in the Genesis, Lexus and others is a straight 4 configuration vs. a V4.

What kind of work does your Q5 need?

ATL350

Perhaps - and there is undeniably variation from dealership to dealership - but my point was the focus and service standards at a Kia or Hyundai dealership is not the same as it is for a luxury brand, which is what Genesis is.

Mike728

Well, they do provide 3 years, or 36k miles of valet service at no cost. So no need to actually go to the dealer yourself. Maybe in that 3 years they finally spin off into their own dealer. Hopefully, they learned something from when they tried this with Equus back in the early 2000's.

LexFinally

I know Genesis vehicles have a long warranty, like their Hyundai and Kia siblings do. I'm not sold on the long-term durability of any of the three, but if you're like most luxury buyers you won't keep your car much longer than 5 years anyway.

That said, I agree with ATL350 that the GV70 and the ES are not at all similar cars. If you're attracted to the GV70, I'd cross-shop it against the Audi Q5, BMW X3 and Acura RDX. If you're attracted to the Lexus ES, I'd cross-shop it against the base version of the Genesis G80, a bigger and softer sedan like the ES (since higher-trim G80's get pricey).

mikemu30

Read the Genesis forum before you believe anything Hyundai promises in their marketing materials.

asadani

Thank you all for your valuable responses. I am so confused. I am also leaning towards the RX350 v6 2022 as it is readily available in stock. My Q5 is having a lot of breakdowns and it's on 87k milies.

landonm86

I just spend over an hour on the Genesis forums. So many complaints and problems. No thank you! I’ll stick with Lexus. 😊

mikemu30

That forum will scare any potential buyer away.

Taharalove

I see genesisforums.com, genesisowners.com, gvforums.com, genesisforums.org.

Google's top result is genesisowners.com, is that the one you looked up/used?

mikemu30

That's the one I read.