Originally Posted by Dallas250

I hear quite a bit of wind noise in my F sport, so maybe the ultra luxury or the luxury version is quiet. Now it’s not wind seeping through like a bad seal it’s just the sound of wind being heard through the glass. In the car overall is much quieter than my Honda accord but it’s not so quiet I’m gonna fall asleep…lol

Originally Posted by E46CT

I never said it's old and rattley. I'm one of the strongest worshippers of the 8 Gen Camry--stronger than you. Way stronger. However i'm buying an ES so i want it to be different.

And yes the ES is nearly identical. i have all the diagrams, blueprints, etc. and have studied this extremely deeply and extremely intensely. I am the main highlighter of the differences, mostly subtle.

All the switchgear, controls, schematics, etc? they're identical. intrusion measurements in all the various crashes? identical. I've got the BIW schematics as well. All the spot welds, layering, grades--all identical. They're a LOT closer than you think. i believe even the track is identical. track and/or width.

Are there differences? yes. differences i won't even explain to you because i worked hard to find them. differences you couldn't even (and won't even) describe and can ever describe unless you knew specifically what to look for. So don't assume when I post stuff like this i do it lightly.

I even know a secret about the ES that no one's ever mentioned and i won't! there's one model year that has a very specific engineering change that's very interesting. that's how closely i looked at this stuff!