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The NCA 2170 is the newest generation Lithium Ion battery pack used by the Model 3 Long Range and Performance, as well as the Model Y Long Range and Performance. The 4860 LFP battery pack is the latest gen battery pack that uses Lithium Ferrous, or Iron and uses less rare earth minerals and is used in the Model 3 and Model Y base models. As you know, Iron is abundantly available.
2170 is more energy dense (can store more energy) but is less durable and more expensive to manufacture. The 4860 is less energy dense, but cheaper to manufacture, more durable and lasts longer. Also, you can charge the 4680 up to 100 percent, while the NCA 2170 recommended charging is 80 percent for regular use and 90 to 100 percent for long distance travel.
Eventually the 4680 will be end up in all Model 3's and Y's, as I understand it.
4680s aren't LFP. LFP batteries are only in Model 3 Standard Range. Currently, the only Tesla to use 4680s are Model Y AWDs out of Giga Texas. All other Model Ys (LR and Performance) use NCA 2170s. Model 3 LR and Performance also use NCA 2170s. Model S and X use NCA 18650s. Cybertruck will use 4680s.
That was a little confusing so hopefully this is easier:
Model 3 SR = LFP
Model 3 LR = NCA 2170
Model 3 Perf = NCA 2170
Model Y AWD = 4680
Model Y LR = NCA 2170
Model Y Perf = NCA 2170
4680s aren't LFP. LFP batteries are only in Model 3 Standard Range. Currently, the only Tesla to use 4680s are Model Y AWDs out of Giga Texas. All other Model Ys (LR and Performance) use NCA 2170s. Model 3 LR and Performance also use NCA 2170s. Model S and X use NCA 18650s. Cybertruck will use 4680s.
That was a little confusing so hopefully this is easier:
Model 3 SR = LFP
Model 3 LR = NCA 2170
Model 3 Perf = NCA 2170
Model Y AWD = 4680
Model Y LR = NCA 2170
Model Y Perf = NCA 2170
All Model S = NCA 18650
All Model X = NCA 18650
Cybertruck = 4680
Thanks for correcting that. I mixed up 4680 and LFP and made them into one I believe the LFP battery pack is made by CATL, correct?
According to InsideEV's, it uses an improved 120 kW version of the 4680 that's 10 percent higher energy density
I don't believe it. More likely it will have new version of cell from CATL. Also have we seen the body in white that shows no floor like the 4680 Model Y?
How much does it cost to charge a Model Y Long Range? Here's an article from Car and Driver
2023 Tesla Model Y Long Range
The Costs
For a Tesla Model Y at U.S. average costs, 100 miles of home charging is $3.82, 100 miles of Supercharging fast-charging is $10 to $19; 100 miles in a 28-mpg compact SUV would cost about $13.70.
We picked the Model Y because it's currently the bestselling electric vehicle in North America. About half the EVs on roads in the U.S. are Teslas, and the company's compact SUV hits the sweet spot in the light-truck utility segment families have shifted to in great numbers.
This is our average case, looking at what the most popular EV in the U.S. costs to recharge at the average U.S. electricity rate of $0.16/kWh. The Model Y Long Range is EPA rated at 330 miles of range in mixed local and highway use, though EV advocates and our range tests suggest Tesla's range estimates are optimistic.
At Home
Sticking with our methodology, that's 30.3 percent of the 75-kWh battery, or 23.9 kWh needed. At a home electric rate of $0.16, that’s $3.82. Compare that to, say, a 28-mpg compact crossover, traveling 100 miles at the average U.S. gasoline price of $3.80. It requires 3.6 gallons, costing $13.70. Again, the EV wins by a factor of almost 4 to 1 when charged at home.
On the Road
Highway travel is a different story. The Tesla Model Y Long Range model we tested on our highway test route delivered just 220 miles. So we need 35.8 kWh to cover 100 miles. The Tesla Supercharger network has variable costs for charging, from $0.25 to $0.50 per kilowatt-hour depending on how much power the station can deliver, time of day (nights are cheaper), and where you're located (California is often pricier).
In the best-case Supercharging scenario, the Model Y costs $9.95 at a Supercharger to travel 100 miles; in the worst case, it's double that. Those are respectively lower and higher than the gasoline you'd use, so . . . it depends.
Conclusion
Home charging is much cheaper; for highway travel, it depends.
For the breakdown of other EV's, please click here:
I was driving my MYP yesterday pretty hard and started thinking about something about EV ownership I haven't read anyone else talk about yet. I like how there is basically no repercussion to me driving hard (acceleration). In an ICE car, I've always had a thought in the back of my mind wondering if I'm wearing the car out - or doing anything to negatively impact the gears, transmission, overall engine, etc. With EV, I don't worry about any of that. I just get the thrill of the acceleration and no downside.
I was driving my MYP yesterday pretty hard and started thinking about something about EV ownership I haven't read anyone else talk about yet. I like how there is basically no repercussion to me driving hard (acceleration). In an ICE car, I've always had a thought in the back of my mind wondering if I'm wearing the car out - or doing anything to negatively impact the gears, transmission, overall engine, etc. With EV, I don't worry about any of that. I just get the thrill of the acceleration and no downside.
Ditto. Not only can EV motors handle the pounding (and last about a million miles), but you are also basically expending less than half the energy. Even if I go full on in either my Polestar or Y, I'm still getting around 50 to 80 MPG equivalent. Last weekend I was on the tail of a guy in a newer Camaro, and when he was flooring it to try and shake me off his tail, he's probably into the 5 or 10 MPG range while I'm easily 60 or 70 MPG (I think I used an extra 1 or 2 percent battery)!
Also when I take trips and am going hard, my only worry really is a flat tire because unfortunately I don't have spares in any of my EV's. Thankfully both the Tesla and my Polestar come with road assistance, and in the Tesla app I can select "Flat Tire", so it gives me some peace of mind
09-13-23 | 05:32 PM
I believe the LFP battery pack is made by CATL, correct?
