bitkahuna

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so customers are confused or disappointed or changing their minds. i wonder what the other auto makers who commited to nacs are feeling. i'm beginning to think the whole herd commitment to nacs was rushed. i have no doubt that EA, Chargepoint, and endless other charging places will get better and better and not suddenly announce they're firing everyone and eliminating commitments to leases for new chargers. i was super impressed with my recent experience at a florida power and light (FPL) charging station.

since all of this lays at elon musk's feet, who of course has given VERY SCANT public comment on all this, i think it's time for him to go. he's been a great (brilliant) and flamboyant leader to get tesla to where it is, but i think at the very least they need a new CEO and move him into a different role.

patgilm

I don’t disagree but why pick a higher 0-60 time to compare it to? I would want to compare it to a better time that has been reported with AWD. If it is all speculation as you say why pick the slower time?

With that being said I would expect the new Model 3P to beat the M3 but at least post the better time achieved. We did it for the old Model 3P so why not do it for the M3?

patgilm

Where I live getting to 60 is barely getting started, sorry I’m not going light to light. I live in a congested area but there is way more room in daily driving where I am from especially from a roll.

AMIRZA786

I really tried to give Elon the benefit of the doubt if you look at my previous posts, but the more I tried, the worse the news has become. Try to explain to a potential buyer who is now having second thoughts why firing the whole SC team without much explanation is nothing to worry about. And does the average car buyer really care about Optimus or self autonomous driving when all they want is a worry free car they can easily charge on trips?

What Tesla should be worried about is 9 percent PHEV growth vs 3 percent BEV growth in California, of all places

AMIRZA786

Well you have a Plaid, so you have nothing to worry about when it comes to winning races. In California, 90 MPH is reckless driving, suspension of your license, 30 day towing of your car, and possible jail time

JeffKeryk

Especially anywhere near the speeds these cars are capable of. I maybe hit 90 once in a great while up 280 early in the morning. And that's by accident; I immediately back off.

JeffKeryk

I believe there is more to the Supercharger decision and future than we have heard, and news, like markets, are reactionary and speculative.
Was it brutal to employees and vendors? You bet. Welcome to Silicon Valley capitalism.

I am close to pulling the trigger on the M3P. If you haven't seen or sat in one, the big surprise, to me, was the seats. Nicely bolstered and supportive; they almost sell the car by themselves.
On top of that, given our car is an early model (Dec 2018) the number of improvements will be great. I just have to figure out how to cut loose 2 cars... Sheesh.

swajames

I don't see it that way. There are really only two plausible explanations for the supercharger decision. One is that it is part of a planned strategy where the cuts were necessary, considered and executed as part of an overall plan. The second is that this division went from a (say) 10% headcount cut to an entire divisional cut because their boss had the temerity to support her team and Musk retaliated. This is far more likely, and you only have to look at how Musk has acted at Twitter for evidence that things most probably played out as they were reported and that the petty retaliation scenario is quite likely accurate. That's not Silicon Valley Capitalism, IMO, it's abject stupidity. He's painted himself into a corner and as he'll never admit he was wrong the single biggest advantage Tesla has is inevitably going to be compromised.

JeffKeryk

A decision this big had to be decided by the BOD. The Supercharger network has always been a huge advantage for Tesla. There has to be more to the story.
Time will tell.

AMIRZA786

If there is more to the story, than shouldn't it be told? Dude, Tesla is losing not only sales, but it's reputation based on "There's has to be more to the story"

swajames

That may well highlight the problem, Jeff, the BOD is supposed to be the check and balance on Musk's impulses but instead it's becoming the enabler for them. You would certainly expect the board at a public company to have been involved in this overall process and presumably to some extent they were, but the likelihood of a BOD acting in the best interests of the company and its shareholders sanctioning what is happening in the charging team is low IMO. A far more plausible scenario is they approved the overall headcount reduction, but were not involved in the decision to fire the charging team. In that regard the BOD at Tesla is effectively like Yaccarino at Twitter - essentially powerless, basically worthless, and are mostly there to enable and help cover for Musk's foibles than reign them in.

Allen K

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Another round of layoffs being reported. Main source is Electrek so huge grains of salt, but impacted departments are software, service, and engineering

https://electrek.co/2024/05/06/tesla...round-layoffs/

SW17LS

I'm going to throw this out there...its time for Elon to go. Tesla needs a serious CEO.

JeffKeryk

Without Musk there is no Tesla.
Do I agree with all his decisions? Heck no.

Allen K

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A great startup CEO is rarely a great mature company CEO. Two wildly different skillsets