Tesla Business and News Thread
12-05-23, 09:26 PM
#872
Lexus Test Driver
But, let's just say BYD is gaining on Tesla and hypothetically these gains are mostly in asia.
Should we care and how much should we care?
12-05-23, 09:37 PM
#873
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Thread Starter
I Know this question was for Lex, but I'll answer for myself. As a holder of TSLA, I would be concerned. China is an important market for Tesla. A big dip in sales there would probably have a negative effect on their stock, at least in the short term
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12-06-23, 05:54 AM
#874
https://insideevs.com/news/699413/hi...ies-14-motors/
2014 Model S P85 with 1.14 MILLION miles on it. I do wish they would've gotten more detail on the motor and battery pack replacements
Per the article:
2014 Model S P85 with 1.14 MILLION miles on it. I do wish they would've gotten more detail on the motor and battery pack replacements
Per the article:
Some early Tesla Model S EVs were known to have issues with their rear motors. This particular Tesla suffered from this. The rear motor was replaced thirteen times, so if we include the original that it came with, that's fourteen motors over the course of about 1.2 million miles.
Most of the replacement motors were actually refurbished units and the problem there is that Tesla didn't know the real issue so it didn't know how to properly fix the motors. Some of these replacement motors failed very quickly. Some were covered under warranty, while others were not.
In regards to the vehicle's battery pack, it fared better than the motor. However, this Model S is currently on its fourth battery pack. Four batteries at 1.2 million miles mean that the average pack lasted some 300,000 and counting, which is actually a strong showing in our opinion.
Most of the replacement motors were actually refurbished units and the problem there is that Tesla didn't know the real issue so it didn't know how to properly fix the motors. Some of these replacement motors failed very quickly. Some were covered under warranty, while others were not.
In regards to the vehicle's battery pack, it fared better than the motor. However, this Model S is currently on its fourth battery pack. Four batteries at 1.2 million miles mean that the average pack lasted some 300,000 and counting, which is actually a strong showing in our opinion.
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12-06-23, 07:21 AM
#876
https://insideevs.com/news/699413/hi...ies-14-motors/
2014 Model S P85 with 1.14 MILLION miles on it. I do wish they would've gotten more detail on the motor and battery pack replacements
Per the article:
2014 Model S P85 with 1.14 MILLION miles on it. I do wish they would've gotten more detail on the motor and battery pack replacements
Per the article:
Something I have noticed is older Model S with low miles seems to have battery issues as well. I have seen quite a few owners with under 120k battery go. Seems like lack of use + age has a negative effect.
I am on the fence if this is a reflection of good or bad reliability lol. Any car going over 1 million miles is great, but on its 14th motor and 4th battery? Sure the battery lasted 375k which is great. But 14th motor? Imagine having to replace your ICE motor every 90k miles lol.
I saw someone mentioning EVs being disposable cars and it really is true. Keeping an EV as a "classic" the car sitting for months / years, the battery becomes useless and a huge repair bill. Would keeping the battery on a tender always at 80% help with longevity?
EDIT: Its actually on its 4th battery. So roughly 300k which is still great.
Last edited by Blaze876; 12-06-23 at 08:01 AM.
12-06-23, 08:18 AM
#878
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The only relevant comparisons here are would you also expect massive repair cost with a ten year old ICE vehicle that had similarly traveled over 100k per year on average, and would you expect better outcomes if you were to buy a Tesla (or any modern EV) today and drive that Tesla 100k per year for the next decade.
and the answer to both questions is almost certainly yes.
and the answer to both questions is almost certainly yes.
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12-06-23, 08:19 AM
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12-06-23, 08:43 AM
#880
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My brother in laws son had a 2016 Model S which was on a 3 year lease. Never had a motor or battery issue, but did have to have the screen replaced, as well as mostly broken trim issues etc. Everything was done under warranty. He now has a 2019 which he decided to buy out the lease because Tesla changed their policy on lease buyouts. This was during COVID when Tesla prices were sky high, he didn't want to pay $120k for a new one
12-06-23, 08:44 AM
#881
The only relevant comparisons here are would you also expect massive repair cost with a ten year old ICE vehicle that had similarly traveled over 100k per year on average, and would you expect better outcomes if you were to buy a Tesla (or any modern EV) today and drive that Tesla 100k per year for the next decade.
and the answer to both questions is almost certainly yes.
and the answer to both questions is almost certainly yes.
Every model is different but if I was to trust a vehicle to get me to 1 million miles it certainly wouldn't be an EV. Probably one of Toyota hybrid vehicles or a tried and true V8 from GM or Toyota. Right now there is a hot shot driver that usually post every month with updates; he has a 2020 rav4 hybrid with 440k miles. Only repair was the hybrid battery cable (a known issue and expensive as well). Apart from that just regular maintenance (fluids, plugs, tires, brakes).
Any vehicle lasting 200k with minimal repairs I would say is extremely reliable. Hopefully EVs across the board have no issues reaching that.
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12-06-23, 09:12 AM
#882
Lexus Fanatic
Most of the replacement motors were actually refurbished units
There is no such thing as a refurbished drive unit, all that means is they pulled it from a wreck cleaned it up and resold.
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Margate330 (12-06-23)
12-06-23, 09:54 AM
#883
Lexus Test Driver
A better testimony for high mileage is using new oem parts.
Refurbished means old junk that at the minimum got a shot of paint from a spray can and send it.
At the best, replace the minimum parts to send it.
It's NOT the same as new. Lol
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12-06-23, 10:39 AM
#884
Lexus Fanatic
12-06-23, 03:42 PM
#885
i see goalposts being moved.... now it is all about revenue? reality is that byd is bigger than tesla, net income is coming to very close and yet they trade at 10x discount.