Blaze876

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I agree to an extent. Would you care if FSD was fully functional? Do you think other Tesla buyers would care? I do. I could easily see people spending 20k on a fully functional FSD. So my point is, people don't care right now because it doesn't work. Once it does...if it does, it would almost be silly purchasing a tesla without FSD.

LeX2K

I retired early because of TSLA, yet some right now are probably thinking why is that guy so negative on Tesla?
It could happen again. A couple more negative nancy stories about Tesla and investors run for the hills the stock tanks.

Blaze876

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Is it that they are not talking to other manufacturers or other manufacturers simply don't believe Tesla method of FSD will work? All other manufacturers I can think of that have some form of "FSD" uses radars / lidar (blue cruise, super cruise, mercedes version whatever its called lol).

Margate330

I love it!

That's how it's done. Lol

Beat them at their own tricks. 🚀

AMIRZA786

Just speaking for myself, I like driving and don't want AI driving for me. It's the control freak in me. So I wouldn't pay for FSD unless it was maybe a $1500 option, and I would only use it occasionally, like on long trips. Would it have value if it fully worked as envisioned by Tesla? 100 percent. It would save companies like Uber and Lyft tons of money not having to pay drivers, and it would create a whole industry of Robotaxi's, and ride sharing where you call a car through an app, it shows up and drops you off. Most younger people under 30 would probably never own cars anymore

LeX2K

Elon said just that, other auto makers don't think FSD is real.

sg021

I've had FSD for almost five years now. Picked it up during the FSD fire sale when, as we found out a few years later, the company was in a fairly precarious financial state. My car had HW version 2, and any car with FSD package purchased got a free upgrade to HW3 (what they call the FSD hw now). My understanding is HW4 includes camera upgrades so there is no upgrade path to HW4. For people like myself they must deliver it on the existing hardware.

That said, I've lost most of my confidence that they'll ever deliver it as promised. I'm surprised regulators haven't forced them to offer refunds. People keep cars for a fairly long time, but this package has been for sale for seven years now. I know a lot has happened under the covers and it's very good on highways now, but in the years I've had it the quality on my local roads has risen only to the level of pretty poor from a starting point of dangerously unusable.

Blaze876

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I love driving too. However, imagine sending out your tesla to go pick up the kids, pick up someone from the airport. You and your spouse are out and she wants to leave but you don't. You left something at home? Just send your car home and have whoever s home put it in the car or optimus? lol. Imagine a Tesla minivan with FSD, watching tv while laying down in the back on a long road trip. Need your tires changed? Send the car to the shop on its own.....a lot of scenarios I would rather not drive.

Yeah, its borderline a scam. One of my reasons I don't believe in FSD anytime soon. Too many variables, one you just highlighted about your local roads. Maybe one day we will see one of those ADs, "did you purchase FSD? You may be qualified for compensation, please call 1-800-FSD".

AMIRZA786

Sure, would be great to be able to do those things you mentioned, but personally FSD is just not for me. And btw, Tesla will never have a Minivan. At least not in my lifetime. I'll stand by that statement, which I probably shouldn't

Tesla has already been sued a few times for Autopilot and FSD related crashes, and won every case. The most recent was class action suit in California. It's possible this may happen in a state that's not EV friendly

Blaze876

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Lol why you say that about a minivan? Not cool enough? Haha.

We weren't discussing Tesla being sued because of crashes. Is Tesla should be sued for selling a product that doesn't work and the promise of it working soon. I would be a billionaire if I could sell a product for thousands that doesn't work and make people believe it will soon.

AMIRZA786

Haha! No, I think it would take way too much investment, would need a seperate factory, and minivans are just not in Tesla's DNA, at least that's what I believe. Not that they wouldn't sell, Minivans are hot in the US, so much so that you can't walk out of a Toyota dealership without paying anything under $60k.

OK, I see what you're saying. Tesla has always put out unfinished products, but they improve them over time. I'm one of those critics that blasted Tesla for removing parking sensors and relying on vision, but I've seen how much it's evolved in just the last 6 months, so I'm confident they will get FSD working. Even though I don't have FSD, Tesla, with my permission, is collecting tons of driving data from me, something I had to "opt in" to. And there are millions of Tesla's they are constantly collecting data from. It's just a matter of time. Also, you don't have to buy FSD...you can get a subscription for $199 a month and can cancel anytime. This is a great way to try it without making a $12k commitment. Also, they will give you 3 months free FSD if you buy a Model S or X, and even occasionally offer this for the 3 and Y

LeX2K

You buy something labeled beta and expect it to be a finished product that is on you. And I'll say it again even though the pitchfork crowd doesn't care, FSD+human is safer than just human.

Blaze876

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That's being disingenuous. They bought something labeled beta and was told by the owner of the company it likely will be done next year. It will soon be a decade and it will still be in beta. To make it even worse customers who purchased FSD can not transfer it to their new Tesla (with the exception of a few months last year). So for those early adopters who already sold their Tesla they purchased FSD for, it's their fault for buying a beta product? I guess they should have known the owner of the company is dishonest. But when Toyota calls their hybrids electrified vehicles they are deceptive and the scum of the earth. Why dont you blame customers for not knowing what a hybrid vehicle is? You buy a hybrid expecting it to be full electric, that's on you.

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LeX2K

Is that what this is about for you? Tesla "getting away" with lying but Toyota being called out for their deceptive advertising?

Blaze876

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Nope just calling out your hypocrisy.

I like how you ignore everything else I said instead of giving a rebuttal.