Originally Posted by AMIRZA786

Ok Guys, here's a legit complaint I have about my Model Y, and it's not FSD, nor Autopilot related. This is something that works well for almost all automakers, and worked well on my 2010 IS350... and Tesla can't seem to get it working properly, and that's automatic rain sensing wipers. I stopped using them because they just don't work properly. Even if it's lightly drizzling, they will go full speed like it's a downpour. When it stops raining, they just keep going. The squeaky noise gets in your head, and you have to turn them off.

Apparently the AI has a hard time visually distinguishing between hard rain and light sprinkles. Sometimes it sees an object, and thinks it's rain, or water on the windshield. Numerous updates, and still doesn't seem to be fixed. So, I just manually set them when needed.

I think a $1 rain sensor would do the trick, but Tesla apparently disagrees. Thankfully it's not a huge problem as the wipers are no longer set to Auto when using Autopilot, which was the case when I first got the car last year

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

i really shouldn't have tsla since stocks like nvda, msft, and others are more predictable, but hey i have some rivn too, so i guess i'm a loser, lol.

Originally Posted by LeX2K

TSLA is extremely volatile you've had numerous chances to sell.

Originally Posted by swajames

People said the same about Apple and Jobs. Tim Cook inherited a 360bn or so market cap when Jobs passed, and it's just under 3 trillion today.

Originally Posted by LeX2K

TSLA is extremely volatile you've had numerous chances to sell.

Originally Posted by jrmckinley

My wipers were awesome until about 4 months ago. Something in an update made them way worse and I haven't seen much improvement since. Definitely frustrating. I don't have the high beam issue someone else referenced (knocking on wood)

Originally Posted by patgilm

So it has been drizzling today and it was a very light drizzle and I did back to back testing today with my X7 and my Plaid. I had my Plaid out most of the morning and the strange thing is that with the wipers in auto, the drizzle was so light the wipers never went off and the windshield was nearly impossible to see out of until I manually turned the wipers on, this was on a 15 minute drive. The strange thing is typically in some light rain the wipers go full speed and are operating too fast to the point that auto was nearly worthless.

Next I drove the X7 about 15 minutes and at stop lights, the wipers were operating at a slow intermittent speed but what was impressive is that when I started driving it sped up and wiped at a normal amount.

Not really sure the difference in technology between the two but the X7 handled the drizzle perfectly.

Originally Posted by patgilm

So it has been drizzling today and it was a very light drizzle and I did back to back testing today with my X7 and my Plaid. I had my Plaid out most of the morning and the strange thing is that with the wipers in auto, the drizzle was so light the wipers never went off and the windshield was nearly impossible to see out of until I manually turned the wipers on, this was on a 15 minute drive. The strange thing is typically in some light rain the wipers go full speed and are operating too fast to the point that auto was nearly worthless.

Next I drove the X7 about 15 minutes and at stop lights, the wipers were operating at a slow intermittent speed but what was impressive is that when I started driving it sped up and wiped at a normal amount.

Not really sure the difference in technology between the two but the X7 handled the drizzle perfectly.

Originally Posted by patgilm

So it has been drizzling today and it was a very light drizzle and I did back to back testing today with my X7 and my Plaid. I had my Plaid out most of the morning and the strange thing is that with the wipers in auto, the drizzle was so light the wipers never went off and the windshield was nearly impossible to see out of until I manually turned the wipers on, this was on a 15 minute drive. The strange thing is typically in some light rain the wipers go full speed and are operating too fast to the point that auto was nearly worthless.

Next I drove the X7 about 15 minutes and at stop lights, the wipers were operating at a slow intermittent speed but what was impressive is that when I started driving it sped up and wiped at a normal amount.

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

both my lexus and hyundai are perfect when it comes to rain sensing.



looked this up from ford:



perhaps in the quest to get rid of all 'non-"vision"' sensors, tesla got rid of that infrared sensor also.

tesla looks up the weather forecast and guesses.

Originally Posted by AMIRZA786

It also worked perfectly on my 2010 IS350. Hello Tesla, $1 sensor

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

exactly... i get the 'passion' to try to have one "true" tech (vision) that can do it all, but hey, i can't see in complete darkness either.

Originally Posted by swajames

The frustrating thing is you can be reasonably sure that it probably wasn't the engineers who were pushing for an overly complex solution to a simple problem...

Originally Posted by AMIRZA786

In Tesla's defense, cameras and AI can see better,

Originally Posted by swajames

The frustrating thing is you can be reasonably sure that it probably wasn't the engineers who were pushing for an overly complex solution to a simple problem...

Originally Posted by bitkahuna

really? ever used a camera in darkness? they suck. IR doesn't care.



ditto and still do... 365 has more bugs than the amazon rainforest. and we have to do 'sfc /scannow' on many machines a week to fix corruption, it's ridiculous. and don't get me started on windows printing issues at clients. then microsoft wraps a pile a bugs (like skype and sharepoint) in a new wrapper with a new name (teams) and markets the crap out of it.

it's why i use a mac and google workspace.



ha, probably so, i guess they didn't answer his questions in the best way like "why CAN'T we just use vision cameras for everything and get rid of these pesky IR and radar' sensors since humans can drive with their eyes and headlights without them?" they probably said "well that might work, we don't know" and he then said "ok, do it".