General EV Conversation
#2356
All I’m saying is a program like this would work if the goal was to get people to replace ICE cars with EVs and to put more EVs vs ICE cars on the road.
#2359
But if you look at its stated goals, it was a huge success. The whole point was to get people buying cars, and to make the average car on the road safer and more efficient. It worked.
All I’m saying is a program like this would work if the goal was to get people to replace ICE cars with EVs and to put more EVs vs ICE cars on the road.
All I’m saying is a program like this would work if the goal was to get people to replace ICE cars with EVs and to put more EVs vs ICE cars on the road.
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#2360
Already there are third party shops that work on Tesla's. A friend of mine bought a 2015 Model S and had the battery pack
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#2362
And again, battery failure after 10 years is not at all a foregone conclusion.
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#2364
How long do you think the batteries last and still can hold charge and be recharged at a decent timeframe? I don’t think there is much data yet on this.
There are a ton of clapped out Civics, Camrys, Accords, old Tacoma trucks etc still running around all over the US that are 30 + years old. Millions of people can’t afford an expensive car. It would also be total waste of resources if an EV didn’t have a lifespan of at least 25-30yrs.
#2365
How long do you think the batteries last and still can hold charge and be recharged at a decent timeframe? I don’t think there is much data yet on this.
There are a ton of clapped out Civics, Camrys, Accords, old Tacoma trucks etc still running around all over the US that are 30 + years old. Millions of people can’t afford an expensive car. It would also be total waste of resources if an EV didn’t have a lifespan of at least 25-30yrs.
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AMIRZA786 (03-20-24)
#2366
I think batteries are a concern, even for hybrids. People had that as their number one concern about buying such vehicles (and I do too, with my Prius now in its 15th year and 172k miles!).
In hybrids, the costs to replace batteries is fairly low nowadays, maybe $800 to $1000 or so, but the much larger batteries of BEV have been reported to cost higher than $20,000, so it's def something to consider.
Right now, given that BEV are somewhat new and most cars have new batteries, data on when batteries fail is probably still rare and still somewhat anecdotal, but a quick search of youtube shows that it does happen. In one case, a guy with 100k on his had to replace 2 times already.
This one had to replace it after only 64k miles, which is pretty bad imo.
Anyways, to ICE people, battery life and cost of replacement is probably a big concern when they consider buying any electric vehicle (whether HEV, PHEV, or BEV). It's just one of those things that people will need to take a leap and finally learn that it's not THAT bad.
In hybrids, the costs to replace batteries is fairly low nowadays, maybe $800 to $1000 or so, but the much larger batteries of BEV have been reported to cost higher than $20,000, so it's def something to consider.
Right now, given that BEV are somewhat new and most cars have new batteries, data on when batteries fail is probably still rare and still somewhat anecdotal, but a quick search of youtube shows that it does happen. In one case, a guy with 100k on his had to replace 2 times already.
This one had to replace it after only 64k miles, which is pretty bad imo.
Anyways, to ICE people, battery life and cost of replacement is probably a big concern when they consider buying any electric vehicle (whether HEV, PHEV, or BEV). It's just one of those things that people will need to take a leap and finally learn that it's not THAT bad.
#2369
I think batteries are a concern, even for hybrids. People had that as their number one concern about buying such vehicles (and I do too, with my Prius now in its 15th year and 172k miles!).
In hybrids, the costs to replace batteries is fairly low nowadays, maybe $800 to $1000 or so, but the much larger batteries of BEV have been reported to cost higher than $20,000, so it's def something to consider.
Right now, given that BEV are somewhat new and most cars have new batteries, data on when batteries fail is probably still rare and still somewhat anecdotal, but a quick search of youtube shows that it does happen. In one case, a guy with 100k on his had to replace 2 times already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3E2bIbek-M
This one had to replace it after only 64k miles, which is pretty bad imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO0aKsgcyYI
Anyways, to ICE people, battery life and cost of replacement is probably a big concern when they consider buying any electric vehicle (whether HEV, PHEV, or BEV). It's just one of those things that people will need to take a leap and finally learn that it's not THAT bad.
In hybrids, the costs to replace batteries is fairly low nowadays, maybe $800 to $1000 or so, but the much larger batteries of BEV have been reported to cost higher than $20,000, so it's def something to consider.
Right now, given that BEV are somewhat new and most cars have new batteries, data on when batteries fail is probably still rare and still somewhat anecdotal, but a quick search of youtube shows that it does happen. In one case, a guy with 100k on his had to replace 2 times already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3E2bIbek-M
This one had to replace it after only 64k miles, which is pretty bad imo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO0aKsgcyYI
Anyways, to ICE people, battery life and cost of replacement is probably a big concern when they consider buying any electric vehicle (whether HEV, PHEV, or BEV). It's just one of those things that people will need to take a leap and finally learn that it's not THAT bad.
#2370
i'd guess, all it will take to get to a tipping point is 5 minute 100 mi. charging.
i recently charged 27%-80% in 13 minutes, so let's say roughly 50% recharge, and my range is about 25mi. per 10% so that's adding 5x25 of range or 125 miles in 13 minutes. not 5 minutes, but not bad! but if it was 5 minutes, and there were plenty of chargers out there, i think the 'anxiety' and resistance to ev's would fade away.
i recently charged 27%-80% in 13 minutes, so let's say roughly 50% recharge, and my range is about 25mi. per 10% so that's adding 5x25 of range or 125 miles in 13 minutes. not 5 minutes, but not bad! but if it was 5 minutes, and there were plenty of chargers out there, i think the 'anxiety' and resistance to ev's would fade away.
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