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#2491
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I did buy a NEW Prius in 2009, and I did buy a NEW RX450h+ in 2024, both with warranties at the time.
That is completely different than buying used ones at 12 years old with no warranty.
In addition, I will point out the replacement cost for an HEV battery is significantly smaller than for a PHEV, and def for a BEV, and even for an HEV I would not chance it.
#2492
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That is completely different than buying used ones at 12 years old with no warranty.
In addition, I will point out the replacement cost for an HEV battery is significantly smaller than for a PHEV, and def for a BEV, and even for an HEV I would not chance it.
When I was a part of the Prius community back in 2004/2005, this was a HUGE thing. Everybody said "but the battery, but the battery" and now we have Priuses running around with 500k miles on them on the original batteries and battery replacement is $1,000 for one. It was $8,000 back in the day.
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#2493
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Priuschat has plenty of info on how to measure/recondition/refurb/etc. a prius ni-mh pack. Make sure you've thoroughly scrubbed all the info there. Take your time, do it once and do it right - even if it means getting a new pack, as Toyota's 6-cell blocks have noticeably improved over time, and you generally get the fresh newest gen blocks with a new OEM pack. Anyways, $2k sounds about right. Make up your own mind on the other options, as there are tons of variables in that decision.
#2495
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I really don't think it will...
#2496
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Then why don't you get rid of yours now that its 12 years old? Who wants to drive a ticking time bomb?
That is actually what we are considering, but for sentimental reasons I am considering eating the $1-2k to replace the battery when it's gone. One owner, one car and all that.
And of course, your argument is besides the point since the topic is buying a used car, NOT keeping one you had since new (and have developed sympathies for) with warranties.
It is now, but it won't be forever and it wasn't when you bought your Prius. Replacement battery prices will come way down for full EVs as they become more needed.
The fact that a BEV battery is 70x larger than the small battery of the HEV will never change, and given that replacement costs for Prius batteries are still in the thousand to several thousand dollar range even after decades AND after millions of Prius sold, I really really doubt prices for the much larger batteries will drop that to parity.
That is actually what we are considering, but for sentimental reasons I am considering eating the $1-2k to replace the battery when it's gone. One owner, one car and all that.
And of course, your argument is besides the point since the topic is buying a used car, NOT keeping one you had since new (and have developed sympathies for) with warranties.
It is now, but it won't be forever and it wasn't when you bought your Prius. Replacement battery prices will come way down for full EVs as they become more needed.
The fact that a BEV battery is 70x larger than the small battery of the HEV will never change, and given that replacement costs for Prius batteries are still in the thousand to several thousand dollar range even after decades AND after millions of Prius sold, I really really doubt prices for the much larger batteries will drop that to parity.
#2497
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EVs are much easier to maintain and repair you end up doing suspension and axle repairs that's about it no more emissions failures. On a Tesla you don't have to worry about blown fuses on the low voltage system because there aren't any.
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Not in my lifetime for PHEV/BEV, unless everyone suddenly turns over their ICE cars and buy new EV ones.
It might happen if HEVs are counted though, as some manufacturers are switching some models to all-HEV. If they all do this, then it is possible within a decade or two.
It might happen if HEVs are counted though, as some manufacturers are switching some models to all-HEV. If they all do this, then it is possible within a decade or two.
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Study: Only one of today's EVs offers what buyers say they want
Most EVs are either too expensive or too limited on range, but one Hyundai gets it just right
https://www.autoblog.com/article/stu...say-they-want/
#2500
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Then why don't you get rid of yours now that its 12 years old? Who wants to drive a ticking time bomb?
That is actually what we are considering, but for sentimental reasons I am considering eating the $1-2k to replace the battery when it's gone. One owner, one car and all that.
That is actually what we are considering, but for sentimental reasons I am considering eating the $1-2k to replace the battery when it's gone. One owner, one car and all that.
And of course, your argument is besides the point since the topic is buying a used car, NOT keeping one you had since new and with warranties.
The fact that a BEV battery is 70x larger than the small battery of the HEV will never change, and given that replacement costs for Prius batteries are still in the thousand to several thousand dollar range even after decades AND after millions of Prius sold, I really really doubt prices for the much larger batteries will drop that to parity.
Prices may not reach parity, but they will be dramatically cheaper than they are now. You talk as if battery replacement is a foregone conclusion and it is not on any level. Most people who have Priuses have never replaced the battery, most people who have EVs will never replace the battery.
Thats like saying every ICE car will need an engine or a transmission. Well, if you drive it long enough that may be true but we're talking several hundred thousand miles here.
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Pretty sure that wipers / mirrors / cabin equipment / etc runs off of whatever low voltage is on a particular Tesla, and those things generally have separate fuses just in case - plus a couple more central ones.
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You keep beating a dead horse over and over. No, I wouldn't buy a 12 year old car, but I did say that I would consider buying a used EV for one of my kids if battery packs/plus the price of the car were cheap enough. I'm not one of my kids. Please go back and read what I wrote
#2504
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/334345917345
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https://www.ebay.com/itm/115894640224
Some modules are more but not expensive in fact Tesla modules are relatively cheap, that only means one thing no demand.
Plus I would much much rather replace modules than mess around with emissions controls that is a very complex and highly failure prone part of a car. I don't think most people appreciate how nice it is never having to worry about emissions/fuel/exhaust.
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So, my answer should be obvious. Just in case you can't figure it out, my answer is NO.
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