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tl;dr - many forces working against it, including the massive "inflation reduction act" (IRA) and the unique pretty much insatiable demand for trucks.
i didn't know the IRA was this aggressive on bev's:
obviously cheap gas vs. rest of the world.
and u.s. consumes 80% of the world's large suvs!
Definitely lots of challenges, including the misguided IRA, which probably wouldn't have passed without all those compromises. Honestly they shouldn't subsidize BEV's, instead put the money solely in charging infrastructure, which is the most important component. "Build it, and they will come"
Fisker Ocean Gets Worse Review Yet From Consumer Reports That Calls It Inexcusable
The publication described the Ocean it owns as poorly tuned and undercooked
"So far, our experience with the Ocean is like ordering pizza at a new, buzzy restaurant, only to get a pie with undercooked dough and no sauce because the tomatoes are still growing,” wrote CR. “The tantalizing promise of the final product is right there in front of us, but it’s quite unappealing in its current state."
I hope CR feels some remorse after that review that might have pushed this
The car looked good, great color.
They were doomed from launch. Entered an already crowded market, took to long to release orders, priced to high, and they were trying to appeal to the LA crowd. The bad software execution is the icing on the cake
it's too bad. there must be SOME good ideas or patents etc. in what fisker has done and hopefully someone can make something of that.
i think the ocean is a neat looking suv, but the execution apparently just has too many 'quirks' and bugs.
it's too bad. there must be SOME good ideas or patents etc. in what fisker has done and hopefully someone can make something of that.
i think the ocean is a neat looking suv, but the execution apparently just has too many 'quirks' and bugs.
You just can't release a product that flawed, especially since a lot of people had orders in since 2021 and didn't take delivery until late last year. Early model 3's had cosmetic flaws (and some suspension issues), but the cars drove pretty flawless, probably from what they learned from the Model S and X. Like Lucid, bad timing, except Lucid has MBS money flowing in
I hope CR feels some remorse after that review that might have pushed this
The car looked good, great color.
That’s quite frankly a ridiculous perspective. The reviewers, and it wasn’t just Consumer Reports who highlighted flaws, did the right thing in warning customers to be wary. If there are significant issues with a product, particularly something as expensive as this, it’s important to get that information out into the marketplace so buyers can make their own decisions and proceed accordingly.
That’s quite frankly a ridiculous perspective. The reviewers, and it wasn’t just Consumer Reports who highlighted flaws, did the right thing in warning customers to be wary. If there are significant issues with a product, particularly something as expensive as this, it’s important to get that information out into the marketplace so buyers can make their own decisions and proceed accordingly.
As many of you know on here, I own, and I've driven and reviewed several EV's, including Lucid Air, Rivian R1T, BMW i4 & i7 etc. I thought I would put together a list of non Tesla BEV's and rank them based on practicality, comfort and performance. Some of this information is based on personal experience, and some on discussions with friends and coworkers, as well as reviews I've read. So here is the criteria: Good performance, efficiency, a practical daily driver, comfortable, and affordable. Here are my picks ranked:
Most practical for the price
1. Hyundai Ioniq 5/6
2. Chevy Bolt EUV
Hyundai has made great strides in the BEV world. Starting with the Ioniq hybrid/EV, they built a practical commuter that was simple, low maint, comfortable and cheap to drive. Our first EV was a fully loaded 2020 Ioniq EV that I leased for $190 a month for three years. including the lease, insurance, registration and electricity to power it, it costed me less than my other cars that were already paid off. Had it had 100 miles more range, I would have bought it out. We ended up trading it up for a 2023 Hyundai Ioniq 5 SEL AWD. Not only is this a fun car to drive, but it's stylish, comfortable, roomy and practical. the tech is modern but tasteful. And because it's AWD, it can handle any nasty weather California can throw at it You can also get it in a RWD variant. At $351 a month lease, it's IMO the best bargain on the market...other than a Model Y.
The Chevy Bolt EUV is another bargain. A great starter EV, it's roomy, efficient and very comfortable. The cabin is well isolated, and the suspension is very compliant on bad roads. When my daughter was in the market last year, we looked at several cars including Corolla and Civic, and this not only drove better, but is way, way more efficient, and doesn't need routine maint. In a year of ownership, my daughter had to take it in to the dealership only once for tire rotation. I'm glad GM came to their senses and brought it back.
Other cars on my list
3. Polestar 2
4. BMW i4 eDrive 35 & eDrive 50
Since getting my Polestar 2 in 2022, Polestar has made some significant improvements in both efficiency, range, and ride comfort. The dual motor packs quite the punch at 408 hp, and body slams with the Performance pack at 479 hp! But the main reason I would recommend this car is the attractive lease being offered...$349 a month with a $7500 clean clean vehicle incentive from Polestar. I've already reviewed the P2 in my Polestar thread.
The BMW i4 is another good BEV, although it is a bit compromised. It's not the most efficient BEV, it's not using BMW's next generation battery pack, but it does share the comfort and handling capabilities of the 4 series. It is a comfortable daily driver, and for those who are current BMW owners, it has a familiar interface. This is a car I would only lease, as this uses the older battery packs, I understand BMW will be transitioning to their next gen packs
There are other EV's on the market of course, but these are vehicles I would most recommend outside of Tesla for those looking for a practical vehicle
03-24-24, 07:49 PM
You can also get it in a RWD variant. At $351 a month lease, it's IMO the best bargain on the market...other than a Model Y.