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05-25-24 | 07:53 PM
#3166
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Crisis averted, so weird. The navigation directed me to a hotel parking lot but the superchargers were in a separate shopping center parking lot down the hill. The navigation took me to the wrong place and for whatever reason it didn’t show up again when I input it in my phone/nav as if it wasn’t there and directed me to one 17 miles away.
When I finally found it there were 10 teslas and only 7 chargers so three were waiting so I left and came back. Now the issue is I am sitting at a supercharger at 10:30 at night and to charge to 70% it says 40 minutes. Everyone is back at the hotel and I’m sitting in a f’ing car. This totally blows.
I think for regular trips it would be fine because you are picking one destination and going. For a hockey trip you have about 4-6 destinations in a day and planning that out on the trip planner doesn’t work that well because plans change pretty quickly between where we end up going between the different games/rinks.
When I finally found it there were 10 teslas and only 7 chargers so three were waiting so I left and came back. Now the issue is I am sitting at a supercharger at 10:30 at night and to charge to 70% it says 40 minutes. Everyone is back at the hotel and I’m sitting in a f’ing car. This totally blows.
I think for regular trips it would be fine because you are picking one destination and going. For a hockey trip you have about 4-6 destinations in a day and planning that out on the trip planner doesn’t work that well because plans change pretty quickly between where we end up going between the different games/rinks.
Good luck to you on the rest of your trip
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05-25-24 | 08:05 PM
#3169
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That sucks, but glad you found them. I avoid 150 kW and go to 250 kW unless I don't have a choice, which looks like your situation. My last trip to SoCal, I only had to charge once over 3 days. And now that my brother has a Tesla, I can charge at his house as he installed a charger.
Good luck to you on the rest of your trip
Good luck to you on the rest of your trip
Yes better than nothing but I’m sitting here behind a shopping center and it’s been 45 minutes for 65% charge. I done and just stopping for now, waste of time. It would have been nice if it was at a convenience store or something where I could get a drink or something.
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05-25-24 | 11:09 PM
#3170
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All good now. The 250 charger is the one I was going to go to if I had to but I would have to drive 20 minutes there and back so this was better. We just need better charging networks here. They really need to build it out.
Yes better than nothing but I’m sitting here behind a shopping center and it’s been 45 minutes for 65% charge. I done and just stopping for now, waste of time. It would have been nice if it was at a convenience store or something where I could get a drink or something.
Yes better than nothing but I’m sitting here behind a shopping center and it’s been 45 minutes for 65% charge. I done and just stopping for now, waste of time. It would have been nice if it was at a convenience store or something where I could get a drink or something.
05-26-24 | 07:09 AM
#3173
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As far as the driving experience itself, driving an EV is so effortless with the smooth powertrain and one pedal driving it feels like it makes the trip easier and less fatiguing IMO, not sure why but it just does. The Model S seats are pretty comfortable with my only complaint being it doesn’t have a thigh extension on the lower part of the seat which for me is a big deal on trips and makes it that much more comfortable.
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05-26-24 | 08:58 AM
#3174
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Going back to the orginonal challenge I made earlier in this thread, I want to extend it out to all critics of EV's that have never driven one. I stand by my statement 100 percent that not only will EV's not go away, but as people get behind the wheel through test drives and leases, they will sell themselves. Fancy marketing will only be needed to get people behind the wheel, the amazing next level driving experience will do the rest!
Let's put aside the fact that 0 to 80 any decent EV can easily compete with or even beat expensive sports cars, especially off the line. But for 90 percent of the population, they can care less about that. And I agree, that's not what's really important, with the right know how you can mod an inexpensive car to be fast. What is important is the smooth drivetrain that can't really be explained in words. No routine maint except maybe cabin filters and windshield wiper fluid. 100 plus MPGe (my Model Y gets 122, my Polestar 108, and our Ioniq 5 around 110). The fact that you can fuel it at home for a fraction of the cost of gasoline. And lastly that today's EV's are now super fast charging, so for people who live in states or areas where there is proper charging infrastructure, travelling is getting close to that of a gasoline cars.
So back to the challenge. Most of the EV critics I've met have never driven an EV, or in one. They all share the same Youtube videos, instagram posts, meme's, talking points and misinformation to reaffirm and reinforce their staunch positions. They have without a better term, shut their minds to progress. Like the people who didn't want to give up the horse and wagon when the automobile came out. "I need to hear the engine" kind of sounds like "I need to hear the farts and snorts of my horse" to me. Don't get me wrong, I love the sound of a high revving engine, but just not on my daily commute.
So my challenge to those critics is to not convince you to buy an EV, but to test drive an EV. A Model 3 or Y (or even S or X). Don't like Tesla's? OK, then there is the Ioniq 5, Ioniq 6, or Kia EV6. There are Polestars (Polestar 2,3, and 4 coming out soon). There is BMW iX, i4, i5, i7 eDrive M50, M60 etc. There's the Ford Mach-E, and of course, the much hated by some F-150 Lightning. Just going on your local dealerships webpage and filling out a form gets you a test drive. Take an hour out of your day. And afterwards if you tell me it's not a better driving experience than ICE, than at the very least I can no longer criticize you for being closed minded. Of course you would have to show me proof of your test drive. I've had people claim they drove a Tesla and described the shoddy quality, then finding their exact talking points in Google.
And the challenge goes both ways, but just be warned, I've driven a ton of cars, from 2010 to 2021 I used to travel quite a bit to our San Antonio TX office, I rented everything from Chargers to Cadillac CTS on my companies dime
Let's put aside the fact that 0 to 80 any decent EV can easily compete with or even beat expensive sports cars, especially off the line. But for 90 percent of the population, they can care less about that. And I agree, that's not what's really important, with the right know how you can mod an inexpensive car to be fast. What is important is the smooth drivetrain that can't really be explained in words. No routine maint except maybe cabin filters and windshield wiper fluid. 100 plus MPGe (my Model Y gets 122, my Polestar 108, and our Ioniq 5 around 110). The fact that you can fuel it at home for a fraction of the cost of gasoline. And lastly that today's EV's are now super fast charging, so for people who live in states or areas where there is proper charging infrastructure, travelling is getting close to that of a gasoline cars.
So back to the challenge. Most of the EV critics I've met have never driven an EV, or in one. They all share the same Youtube videos, instagram posts, meme's, talking points and misinformation to reaffirm and reinforce their staunch positions. They have without a better term, shut their minds to progress. Like the people who didn't want to give up the horse and wagon when the automobile came out. "I need to hear the engine" kind of sounds like "I need to hear the farts and snorts of my horse" to me. Don't get me wrong, I love the sound of a high revving engine, but just not on my daily commute.
So my challenge to those critics is to not convince you to buy an EV, but to test drive an EV. A Model 3 or Y (or even S or X). Don't like Tesla's? OK, then there is the Ioniq 5, Ioniq 6, or Kia EV6. There are Polestars (Polestar 2,3, and 4 coming out soon). There is BMW iX, i4, i5, i7 eDrive M50, M60 etc. There's the Ford Mach-E, and of course, the much hated by some F-150 Lightning. Just going on your local dealerships webpage and filling out a form gets you a test drive. Take an hour out of your day. And afterwards if you tell me it's not a better driving experience than ICE, than at the very least I can no longer criticize you for being closed minded. Of course you would have to show me proof of your test drive. I've had people claim they drove a Tesla and described the shoddy quality, then finding their exact talking points in Google.
And the challenge goes both ways, but just be warned, I've driven a ton of cars, from 2010 to 2021 I used to travel quite a bit to our San Antonio TX office, I rented everything from Chargers to Cadillac CTS on my companies dime
One of my Indian friends sent me this.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Da...ronmental-toll
It says that EV's are not as clean as meets the eye.
Instead, EV's emit considerably more particulate matter from tires.
Thus, they must really make a breakthrough in alternative battery chemistries to find a material with: (1) greater abundance for less political implications eg China witholding the sales of Lithium to Japan during the Senkaku Island dispute many years ago, or China witholding the sales of global Gallium used to make chips in 2023, (2) lower costs than rare earth metals, (3) much less invasive mining, (4) considerably higher energy density storage for much less weight for better roadholding, longer range and much less tire wear with much less particulate matter pollution, (5) much less battery degradation for overall longer battery life- to "genuinely" lower the carbon pollution, (6) plus faster charging for greater convenience, (7) less volatility and explosiveness, (8) other titbits like electricity must be generated by non-fossil fuel burning means, plus greater availability of reliable chargers.
Presently, EV's are great and only loved by a minority group of biased early adopters like AMIRZA786 - but controversially, EV's still have a considerable number of drawbacks.
We must find alternative battery chemistries to overcome these major drawbacks, before the mainstream market can fully adopt EV's.
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05-26-24 | 10:14 AM
#3175
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I would do it in a heartbeat. There are so many chargers in California that range is a zero issue here. And if you are staying at a hotel most have destination chargers, so you probably won't even need a fast charger. Most of the theme parks, national parks have them. Should I go on?
05-26-24 | 10:22 AM
#3176
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Interesting.
One of my Indian friends sent me this.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Da...ronmental-toll
It says that EV's are not as clean as meets the eye.
Instead, EV's emit considerably more particulate matter from tires.
Thus, they must really make a breakthrough in alternative battery chemistries to find a material with: (1) greater abundance for less political implications eg China witholding the sales of Lithium to Japan during the Senkaku Island dispute many years ago, or China witholding the sales of global Gallium used to make chips in 2023, (2) lower costs than rare earth metals, (3) much less invasive mining, (4) considerably higher energy density storage for much less weight for better roadholding, longer range and much less tire wear with much less particulate matter pollution, (5) much less battery degradation for overall longer battery life- to "genuinely" lower the carbon pollution, (6) plus faster charging for greater convenience, (7) less volatility and explosiveness, (8) other titbits like electricity must be generated by non-fossil fuel burning means, plus greater availability of reliable chargers.
Presently, EV's are great and only loved by a minority group of biased early adopters like AMIRZA786 - but controversially, EV's still have a considerable number of drawbacks.
We must find alternative battery chemistries to overcome these major drawbacks, before the mainstream market can fully adopt EV's.
One of my Indian friends sent me this.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Da...ronmental-toll
It says that EV's are not as clean as meets the eye.
Instead, EV's emit considerably more particulate matter from tires.
Thus, they must really make a breakthrough in alternative battery chemistries to find a material with: (1) greater abundance for less political implications eg China witholding the sales of Lithium to Japan during the Senkaku Island dispute many years ago, or China witholding the sales of global Gallium used to make chips in 2023, (2) lower costs than rare earth metals, (3) much less invasive mining, (4) considerably higher energy density storage for much less weight for better roadholding, longer range and much less tire wear with much less particulate matter pollution, (5) much less battery degradation for overall longer battery life- to "genuinely" lower the carbon pollution, (6) plus faster charging for greater convenience, (7) less volatility and explosiveness, (8) other titbits like electricity must be generated by non-fossil fuel burning means, plus greater availability of reliable chargers.
Presently, EV's are great and only loved by a minority group of biased early adopters like AMIRZA786 - but controversially, EV's still have a considerable number of drawbacks.
We must find alternative battery chemistries to overcome these major drawbacks, before the mainstream market can fully adopt EV's.
I asked people to test drive one, not go back to arguments based on 2015 battery tech. If you're to scared to test drive one, I won't hold you to it
Last edited by AMIRZA786; 05-26-24 at 10:41 AM.
05-26-24 | 10:43 AM
#3178
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Last edited by AMIRZA786; 05-26-24 at 10:56 AM.
05-26-24 | 10:55 AM
#3179
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I'll tell you what @peteharvey , it looks like you live in California. I don't know if you live in SoCal or NorCal, but you seem like you are one of those trustworth guys where his word is a handshake. I'm offering up a test drive of either my Model Y or Polestar. If you are in NorCal, than you let me know when you are available and I'll make it happen. If you are in SoCal, I'll be there in June and I'll find time to make it happen. You can take as much time as you want, drive it around, kick the tires, whatever. And if you tell me they don't drive better than a gasoline car, I'll shake your hand and we'll still part friends. I'm game if you're game
05-26-24 | 12:03 PM
#3180
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West coast is a lot different than east coast. You shouldn’t have any issues like I had. It just highlights the need to build out the infrastructure around me. Plus most people don’t have multiple location stops in a day/weekend on a normal road trip without any downtime. This is going to sound bad but if I was with just my entire family I may enjoy a little 30-50 minute break to myself.
As far as the driving experience itself, driving an EV is so effortless with the smooth powertrain and one pedal driving it feels like it makes the trip easier and less fatiguing IMO, not sure why but it just does. The Model S seats are pretty comfortable with my only complaint being it doesn’t have a thigh extension on the lower part of the seat which for me is a big deal on trips and makes it that much more comfortable.
As far as the driving experience itself, driving an EV is so effortless with the smooth powertrain and one pedal driving it feels like it makes the trip easier and less fatiguing IMO, not sure why but it just does. The Model S seats are pretty comfortable with my only complaint being it doesn’t have a thigh extension on the lower part of the seat which for me is a big deal on trips and makes it that much more comfortable.
I would do it in a heartbeat. There are so many chargers in California that range is a zero issue here. And if you are staying at a hotel most have destination chargers, so you probably won't even need a fast charger. Most of the theme parks, national parks have them. Should I go on?