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#3286
the article in question: https://www.motortrend.com/features/...inion-feature/
It's pretty reasonable IMO. Nothing particularly controversial. The focus is the Prius Prime PHEV. The key point is that when it runs as an EV, it's nice - but because the battery is small, it can't run as an EV for very long. And when it can't run as an EV, a rough and underpowered engine kicks in. Hence the worst of all worlds conclusion.
It's pretty reasonable IMO. Nothing particularly controversial. The focus is the Prius Prime PHEV. The key point is that when it runs as an EV, it's nice - but because the battery is small, it can't run as an EV for very long. And when it can't run as an EV, a rough and underpowered engine kicks in. Hence the worst of all worlds conclusion.
#3287
Its a clickbait article title designed to make you read it.
This is really variable amongst PHEVs. I really like the PHEV powertrain that I have in the Pacifica, its great in EV mode and the engine also feels good when its on, the CVT makes the acceleration feel similar between the two. When I drove the S580e and 750e though I hated them, they felt so great in EV mode and so not great when the engines were on, it just felt "wrong"...
the article in question: https://www.motortrend.com/features/...inion-feature/
It's pretty reasonable IMO. Nothing particularly controversial. The focus is the Prius Prime PHEV. The key point is that when it runs as an EV, it's nice - but because the battery is small, it can't run as an EV for very long. And when it can't run as an EV, a rough and underpowered engine kicks in. Hence the worst of all worlds conclusion.
It's pretty reasonable IMO. Nothing particularly controversial. The focus is the Prius Prime PHEV. The key point is that when it runs as an EV, it's nice - but because the battery is small, it can't run as an EV for very long. And when it can't run as an EV, a rough and underpowered engine kicks in. Hence the worst of all worlds conclusion.
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swajames (05-30-24)
#3288
This is really variable amongst PHEVs. I really like the PHEV powertrain that I have in the Pacifica, its great in EV mode and the engine also feels good when its on, the CVT makes the acceleration feel similar between the two. When I drove the S580e and 750e though I hated them, they felt so great in EV mode and so not great when the engines were on, it just felt "wrong"...
The criticism in the motortrend article was really about the way it works in the Prius Prime.
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#3289
Thirding that. The Pacifica hybrid I had as a rental for a week on a work trip last year was a delight. So much so that I actually asked specifically (but unsuccessfully) for it the next time I was there.
#3290
BYD isn't currently doing too hot either. The only wholly Chinese brand that's seen any semblance of Euro success is MG, which already had an established badge and recognition in Europe from its days as a British company.
Unpaywalled article:
Unpaywalled article:
Their vehicles are also adapted to Europe, and they have over 700 dealers.
Byd, Xpeng, Nio right now dont have anything serious and sell few hundreds of cars per month at some premium price.
Geely started pushing, and thats something that could happen - similar to MG story, with exception of Geely having already Volvo and Polestar presence, expending that with Zeekr and now also Geely brand to rival MG.
#3292
Not saying you're entirely wrong, but in this case, the PHEV part--both motor and transmission--is what makes all the difference. Less so the actual engine.
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AMIRZA786 (05-30-24)
#3293
eeeh....the Pentastar is not exactly renowned for it's smoothness (though yes, it is marginally better than the Prius' 4-banger), and the gas-only Pacifica drivetrain--with the exact same engine--is not pleasing in any regard.
Not saying you're entirely wrong, but in this case, the PHEV part--both motor and transmission--is what makes all the difference. Less so the actual engine.
Not saying you're entirely wrong, but in this case, the PHEV part--both motor and transmission--is what makes all the difference. Less so the actual engine.
#3294
Now that the days are getting longer and we have more sun, my solar is starting to kick in. This is my April-May bill, which includes charging four EV's, an electric stove, AC usage, and general household electricity usage for the month:
Add another $144 for the cost of solar panels, and the total is $197.31
Looking at the history on our Electrify Home, we used 1270 kWh the last 30 days charging our cars, without solar, the cost would have been around 0.18 cents per kWh (with tax), or $228.60, which is still not bad fueling four vehicles that average about 12K miles a year.
The savings for me switching to BEV's are real. Not the reason I did so, but a very compelling reason as it cut my vehicle expenses way down
Add another $144 for the cost of solar panels, and the total is $197.31
Looking at the history on our Electrify Home, we used 1270 kWh the last 30 days charging our cars, without solar, the cost would have been around 0.18 cents per kWh (with tax), or $228.60, which is still not bad fueling four vehicles that average about 12K miles a year.
The savings for me switching to BEV's are real. Not the reason I did so, but a very compelling reason as it cut my vehicle expenses way down
#3295
eeeh....the Pentastar is not exactly renowned for it's smoothness (though yes, it is marginally better than the Prius' 4-banger), and the gas-only Pacifica drivetrain--with the exact same engine--is not pleasing in any regard.
Not saying you're entirely wrong, but in this case, the PHEV part--both motor and transmission--is what makes all the difference. Less so the actual engine.
Not saying you're entirely wrong, but in this case, the PHEV part--both motor and transmission--is what makes all the difference. Less so the actual engine.
#3296
Do you mean when they are engine only? Could be they are tuned more for efficiency when the battery is exhausted
#3297
Steve obviously has more experience (with all three vehicles), but the impression I got from driving the Pacifica for a week is that it tries very hard to couple the engine to the wheels as little as possible. As much as it is able, it operates as a pure EV that happens to have an on-board generator. Even when the battery is "dead", it still drives on EV power most of the time, with the engine cycling on and off occasionally. When you do demand more power than the motor can provide, it pulls mechanical engine power in gradually. it doesn't "switch" from one power source to the other.
#3298
Steve obviously has more experience (with all three vehicles), but the impression I got from driving the Pacifica for a week is that it tries very hard to couple the engine to the wheels as little as possible. As much as it is able, it operates as a pure EV that happens to have an on-board generator. Even when the battery is "dead", it still drives on EV power most of the time, with the engine cycling on and off occasionally. When you do demand more power than the motor can provide, it pulls mechanical engine power in gradually. it doesn't "switch" from one power source to the other.
#3299
the article in question: https://www.motortrend.com/features/...inion-feature/
It's pretty reasonable IMO. Nothing particularly controversial. The focus is the Prius Prime PHEV. The key point is that when it runs as an EV, it's nice - but because the battery is small, it can't run as an EV for very long. And when it can't run as an EV, a rough and underpowered engine kicks in. Hence the worst of all worlds conclusion.
It's pretty reasonable IMO. Nothing particularly controversial. The focus is the Prius Prime PHEV. The key point is that when it runs as an EV, it's nice - but because the battery is small, it can't run as an EV for very long. And when it can't run as an EV, a rough and underpowered engine kicks in. Hence the worst of all worlds conclusion.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/ev-...eds-phevs.html