General EV Conversation
#3931
Lexus Fanatic
You could have a much larger carbon footprint than I do. If you live in Canada I’d say you do simply from your heating bills. How big is your house? Do you have kids? You probably have way more trash each week than I do if so. How big is your home and how many people live in it?
And yes of course the Norway model will work everywhere, replace fossil fuel energy production with renewable. It's already happening in the United States electricity we generate from clean sources the more EVs we can power. Gas cars will NEVER be clean.
#3932
Lexus Champion
This is sadly true. Although the number of new EV registrations are growing in states like Texas and Florida, which is a positive sign that politics as a roadblock may be getting less and less
#3933
Lexus Fanatic
Tesla has the highest loyalty among auto makers would it be even high if Elon didn't...you know.
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JeffKeryk (09-03-24)
#3934
Lexus Champion
#3935
Lexus Fanatic
#3936
Lexus Champion
#3937
As far as other brands are concerned, the majority of cars are either downsized turbos or diesels, and flashy/loud/otherwise obnoxious AMG-esque versions tend to be not exactly sought after for the higher-end (S/7/A8) models - diesels still very much rule that segment and I haven't heard any local complaints about the performance of the 730d or the s350d or whatever, really - they can easily maintain 150-200kph on the highway if you're somewhat in a hurry and the traffic allows it, there's still plenty of "go" for overtaking on rural roads, people that can afford and choose to buy such big cars generally couldn't care less about traffic light races, fill-ups are as rare as they get, nobody gives you a second glance, case closed. With all that in mind, it's not exactly hard to see why they aren't offering the new non-hybrid LS - it's pretty much everything a full-size luxury car over here should not be. The base spec LS500h was sold at an incentive as an upgrade towards GS450h owners since the GS got axed and it was well received that way. Otherwise, it's more cramped inside and flashier than the rest, a big departure from what it used to be (the biggest issue), not from a local brand (another big minus) and... is the best hybrid in its class and probably (and reputably) the most reliable - hence why you still see them around from time to time.
p.s. mind showing me a 1.5l i4-t G-class in Europe? There's an m264 version for China, but most of these cars around here, and basically all of the newer ones are G63s. The diesels are mostly for civil services / military duty / people that actually might need a g-wagen, unless it's an older G500 with the NA engines that fare pretty well in actual offroad conditions.
p.s.2 Gas prices where I live are the equivalent of $5.5/US gal (95 RON equivalent to your base "premium", this is the cheapest here), in Germany it's ~$7.1/US gal and they go as high as ~$8.3/US gal in some places (NL / Iceland / Switzeland). Average income tends to be not as high as the US. People here definitely are fuel economy-conscious - even the ones who realistically couldn't care less.
Last edited by Lwerewolf; 09-03-24 at 04:30 AM.
#3939
Lexus Fanatic
#3940
Lexus Champion
Last edited by AMIRZA786; 09-05-24 at 09:41 PM.
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swajames (09-03-24)
#3941
Lexus Fanatic
We had this discussion in Car Chat the more cars pollute the shorter your lifespan see locales without emissions standards. Easy to say who needs emissions laws when the air is clean because of regulations.
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swajames (09-03-24)
#3942
Lexus Champion
Anyway, I think this is the wrong forum to discuss emissions, displacement etc. This discussion should be left for Car Chat. If you want to discuss taxes on cars, EV's are taxed here in California to make up for lost gas tax revenue. My DMV renewal fees are way higher than gas vehicles:
Hyundai Ioniq 5: $731
Tesla Model Y: $750
Polestar: $706
Toyota Sienna: $187
Hyundai Ioniq 5: $731
Tesla Model Y: $750
Polestar: $706
Toyota Sienna: $187
#3943
Pole Position
Anyway, I think this is the wrong forum to discuss emissions, displacement etc. This discussion should be left for Car Chat. If you want to discuss taxes on cars, EV's are taxed here in California to make up for lost gas tax revenue. My DMV renewal fees are way higher than gas vehicles:
Hyundai Ioniq 5: $731
Tesla Model Y: $750
Polestar: $706
Toyota Sienna: $187
Hyundai Ioniq 5: $731
Tesla Model Y: $750
Polestar: $706
Toyota Sienna: $187
#3944
That's also tied to value, though. Yes, EV renewals here are higher, but your EVs are all newer than your Sienna and that's a big contributor to the registration fees. My son's RX, our oldest car, was just $177. My truck on the other hand is over $1000, partly due to MSRP but partly as CA treats all trucks as commercial. My Land Rover is about the same as your Model Y, no EV penalty in play but the MSRP impacts it.
#3945
Lexus Champion
That's also tied to value, though. Yes, EV renewals here are higher, but your EVs are all newer than your Sienna and that's a big contributor to the registration fees. My son's RX, our oldest car, was just $177. My truck on the other hand is over $1000, partly due to MSRP but partly as CA treats all trucks as commercial. My Land Rover is about the same as your Model Y, no EV penalty in play but the MSRP impacts it.