General EV Conversation
#4336
About the EV "preconditioning" talk, here's how I see it. In a house it doesn't matter, the garage stays warm enough or cool enough on hot or cold days. Half of the time I leave the windows and/or top down in there. It's fine. No need to even fuss, by the time you're out of the driveway the CC has it perfect in there.
However, my BIL and spouse have a detached 2 car garage (it's nice and everything) where it DOES get freezing cold. So if they had EVs they'd definitely use that feature. If your garage is attached to your house you don't need it.
However, my BIL and spouse have a detached 2 car garage (it's nice and everything) where it DOES get freezing cold. So if they had EVs they'd definitely use that feature. If your garage is attached to your house you don't need it.
#4337
Lexus Champion
Detached garages are different.
#4338
Lexus Fanatic
I keep saying it, heated garage in the salt belt = early rusty death the heating/cooling cycle is ideal to accelerate corrosion. I won't work on cars that live in these conditions.
#4339
Lexus Champion
Surely they exist up there for that exact reason, to help keep rust from taking over?
The amount of rusted cars I see when I go to Rochester is stunning, obviously. My FIL had an old 800 Silverado and finally got rid of it. It was rusted but still okay.
#4340
Lexus Fanatic
Surely they exist up there for that exact reason, to help keep rust from taking over?
The amount of rusted cars I see when I go to Rochester is stunning, obviously. My FIL had an old 800 Silverado and finally got rid of it. It was rusted but still okay.
It will be interesting to see how my Y holds up long term, one thing that might give EVs an advantage is the underside is mostly smooth not much is exposed. Of course there is still traditional suspension stuff to be eaten away.
#4341
Lexus Fanatic
There is definitely truth about heated garages not being great when you're talking about activating salt leading to corrosion.
#4342
Lexus Champion
Then the problem will be even worse you're driving water into everything. Road salt is not just salt it contains chemicals to make it stick to the road you know what that means. This is easy to see, pressure washing doesn't remove all the salt from undercarriage components it requires mechanical action and no one is going to crawl under their car and scrub every time they go to a car wash. Wheel cleaner neutralizes salt if you spray then scrub.
The only thing that works is products like Fluid Film it is very effective. But it doesn't stop exhaust components from rotting out and whoooo boy do they ever. Some engines even end up with blown head gaskets the salt eats away at the head and block. In this case the engine bay should be washed a few times in winter, actually I recommend this for all cars.
The $ figure loss from road salt must be staggering I really don't understand why it is used. Mandate winter tires and forget the road salt this will end up being far cheaper in the long run. Some locales in Alberta don't use any road salt the difference is drastic. I buy/sell cars from these areas I NEVER buy cars to flip that have seen road salt.
It will be interesting to see how my Y holds up long term, one thing that might give EVs an advantage is the underside is mostly smooth not much is exposed. Of course there is still traditional suspension stuff to be eaten away.
The only thing that works is products like Fluid Film it is very effective. But it doesn't stop exhaust components from rotting out and whoooo boy do they ever. Some engines even end up with blown head gaskets the salt eats away at the head and block. In this case the engine bay should be washed a few times in winter, actually I recommend this for all cars.
The $ figure loss from road salt must be staggering I really don't understand why it is used. Mandate winter tires and forget the road salt this will end up being far cheaper in the long run. Some locales in Alberta don't use any road salt the difference is drastic. I buy/sell cars from these areas I NEVER buy cars to flip that have seen road salt.
It will be interesting to see how my Y holds up long term, one thing that might give EVs an advantage is the underside is mostly smooth not much is exposed. Of course there is still traditional suspension stuff to be eaten away.
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#4344
Lexus Champion
LOL, ok. Did you happen to open the garage door during that time? How long was it below 0? It can stay that low, or lower, here for a few days at a time. If you think an unheated attached garage should stay a comfortable temperature during that time, I don't know what to tell you.
I would never, ever need a separate heater for my garage.
The $ figure loss from road salt must be staggering I really don't understand why it is used. Mandate winter tires and forget the road salt this will end up being far cheaper in the long run. Some locales in Alberta don't use any road salt the difference is drastic. I buy/sell cars from these areas I NEVER buy cars to flip that have seen road salt.
It will be interesting to see how my Y holds up long term, one thing that might give EVs an advantage is the underside is mostly smooth not much is exposed. Of course there is still traditional suspension stuff to be eaten away.
The LS was a Knoxville car, the LX was North Carolina vehicle and the Mercedes was out of Chattanooga.
#4345
#4346
Lexus Fanatic
It all depends on the structure of your house and the garage and the insulation and climate. My garage is really within my house, it has two finished levels above it, finished basement space behind it and to the left side. Only the door and part of the right side wall are exterior and half that right side wall is underground.
It doesn’t get down into the 0s here but even when it’s as cold as 12, 14 degrees it’s never even in the 50s in there. But, that’s because of the way the garage is integrated into the house.
It doesn’t get down into the 0s here but even when it’s as cold as 12, 14 degrees it’s never even in the 50s in there. But, that’s because of the way the garage is integrated into the house.
#4347
One shouldn't make broad judgements based on their personal situation. Much like BEV's currently aren't viable for everyone. YMMV...
#4348
Lexus Fanatic
saw another bZ4x today. Hmmm it’s a sign I need to get an electric Toyota 👀
#4349
Super Moderator
#4350
Lexus Champion
All I said was I don't/wouldn't need it in my current situation.
And explained a real-life situation where it would be ideal.
If a garage is attached to the house and your house has adequate insulation you shouldn't have a problem either.
My situation would be ridiculous. Leave my 68 degree house to get in my 70 degree car? I wouldn't fuss with the fancy preconditioning stuff.