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#4442
you missed my point entirely. people filling with GAS are still likely to leave their cars at the pump for 20-30 minutes when they go into the giant on-site store for fresh bbq and many other goodies, plus bathrooms, etc.
so in that scenario, chargers only need the same amount of time as gas pumps.
i meant what did you mean buc-ee's is 'a niche place'?
so in that scenario, chargers only need the same amount of time as gas pumps.
i meant what did you mean buc-ee's is 'a niche place'?
We bring snacks from home to hold us until we reach our destination.
#4443
Lexus Fanatic
We bring snacks from home to hold us until we reach our destination
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#4444
Lexus Fanatic
When I’m traveling alone and stop at Bucees to refuel I never step foot in the store. 3-5 min at the pump and I’m back on the road. When I’m traveling with my family and we stop at Bucees I usually spend more money inside of Bucees than I do at the pump and thus there longer. Depending on how long of a roadtrip sometimes I’ll walk inside after refueling and see my wife and kids pushing a 🛒 around the store. 😔😥
We bring snacks from home to hold us until we reach our destination.
We bring snacks from home to hold us until we reach our destination.
The economics of gas stations, they don't make much money on fuel, where they make money is in their repair shop, comvenience store, carwash etc. Thats why EV charging is a big opportunity for the right kind of gas stations where they can support a customer for 20 minutes while they charge. Doesn't work great for a corner Exxon station, but a Buc-ees, Wawa, Sheetz, Royal Farms...its great.
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#4445
Lexus Champion
When I’m traveling alone and stop at Bucees to refuel I never step foot in the store. 3-5 min at the pump and I’m back on the road. When I’m traveling with my family and we stop at Bucees I usually spend more money inside of Bucees than I do at the pump and thus there longer. Depending on how long of a roadtrip sometimes I’ll walk inside after refueling and see my wife and kids pushing a 🛒 around the store. 😔😥
We bring snacks from home to hold us until we reach our destination.
We bring snacks from home to hold us until we reach our destination.
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#4446
Lexus Champion
You're not the customer Buc-ees wants lol. They actually were forced to stop selling gas at a loss, they were selling it at a loss to get people to stop there for gas and to get them into the store to spend money.
The economics of gas stations, they don't make much money on fuel, where they make money is in their repair shop, comvenience store, carwash etc. Thats why EV charging is a big opportunity for the right kind of gas stations where they can support a customer for 20 minutes while they charge. Doesn't work great for a corner Exxon station, but a Buc-ees, Wawa, Sheetz, Royal Farms...its great.
The economics of gas stations, they don't make much money on fuel, where they make money is in their repair shop, comvenience store, carwash etc. Thats why EV charging is a big opportunity for the right kind of gas stations where they can support a customer for 20 minutes while they charge. Doesn't work great for a corner Exxon station, but a Buc-ees, Wawa, Sheetz, Royal Farms...its great.
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#4447
Super Moderator
I still do not see the business case (other than in some niche locations) Roll up, plug in and go inside and 10/15 or 20 minutes later emerge…you need A LOT of chargers. The largest buc-ees has 100 pumps…so we talking 300-400 chargers here? Sure it is possible, but it would be a niche thing.
#4448
Lexus Champion
You have a couple of extremely faulty assumptions here. One is that an average EV driver will spend 4x as long at a 70,000 square foot store/restaurant/rest stop as an ICE driver. The second is that the current mix—today—of long-distance drivers is spit exactly 50/50 between EV and ICE. Neither of these is even remotely close to reality.
#4449
Lexus Fanatic
You have a couple of extremely faulty assumptions here. One is that an average EV driver will spend 4x as long at a 70,000 square foot store/restaurant/rest stop as an ICE driver. The second is that the current mix—today—of long-distance drivers is spit exactly 50/50 between EV and ICE. Neither of these is even remotely close to reality.
POV. Current gas stations are an impulse buy as it is. I don’t see that changing.
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#4450
Lexus Champion
And yeah, lol. Like I said it's just one big long straight line of chargers 120 of them, pretty cool engineering feat.
I'll get a pic of it next time I drive by there.
#4451
Lexus Champion
Where? Are you talking about a Bucees or just a big Supercharger? Is Bucees west coast too? I never remember seeing any when I lived out there.
And yeah, lol. Like I said it's just one big long straight line of chargers 120 of them, pretty cool engineering feat.
I'll get a pic of it next time I drive by there.
And yeah, lol. Like I said it's just one big long straight line of chargers 120 of them, pretty cool engineering feat.
I'll get a pic of it next time I drive by there.
#4452
Lexus Fanatic
You have a couple of extremely faulty assumptions here. One is that an average EV driver will spend 4x as long at a 70,000 square foot store/restaurant/rest stop as an ICE driver. The second is that the current mix—today—of long-distance drivers is spit exactly 50/50 between EV and ICE. Neither of these is even remotely close to reality.
#4453
Forum Administrator
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I think it’s 120 fuel pumps and 24 Tesla chargers. Definitely a huge place still!
https://www.thedrive.com/news/worlds...with-120-pumps
https://www.thedrive.com/news/worlds...with-120-pumps
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#4454
Lexus Fanatic
This is incredible huge props to the Rivian engineering team.
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#4455