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i didn't read the article, but perhaps you get a 20% loss in consumption when the engine is started in the cold, but the OVERALL effect once under way isn't anywhere near that much of a loss.
Yeah, I do see some loss in the winter, but nowhere near 20%. SC weather may be factor, even though it does get cold overnight here in winter. Probably a worse case scenario. Worse case scenarios for EV I've seen are 40 percent.
Either way, I really don't care. I get back to my full range, whether is 10% less, 20% less, or 50% less, in less than 5 minutes at a million places anywhere along my route. I never even think about my cars range or when/where/how I'm going to refuel, how fast is my gas pump, will it damage my gas tank. No matter what the temp. So, I really don't care.
There's a lot of things I like and even love about EVs. Charging and managing range and battery health are not any of them.
Either way, I really don't care. I get back to my full range, whether is 10% less, 20% less, or 50% less, in less than 5 minutes at a million places anywhere along my route. I never even think about my cars range or when/where/how I'm going to refuel, how fast is my gas pump, will it damage my gas tank. No matter what the temp. So, I really don't care.
There's a lot of things I like and even love about EVs. Charging and managing range and battery health are not any of them.
i understand, but unless you're taking a long trip, none of that matters with an ev. i've now had my ev 2 months and have never gone to a public charger. i charge at home, and since i never drive over 200 miles in a day unless i'm taking a trip, it's no issue at all.
in fact, my car's sitting in the garage right now at 60% charge and i won't bother charging it before i go out, because that's plenty to get me through whatever comes up today. and it costs next to nothing to charge at home, and i had my charger positioned so it's about 10 seconds to plug it in.
Now that we have a car we unplug and plug in every time we drive it, I can also say that is no issue at all, we don’t even think about it and have not forgotten once. In fact I go to plug the Mercedes in from muscle memory and have to remind myself that it’s not an EV…
We parked it at the airport when we flew to CA and there are chargers in the airport garage everywhere. No dedicated EV spaces just chargers throughout with long cords. We parked 3 spaces over from one and the cord reached fine. Van stayed plugged in the whole week and we came back to a free full charge. THATS the future.
I also have basically stopped driving the Mercedes on the weekends and I drive the Pacifica because I love the EV power. I just wish it went more than 35 miles on just EV.
Whereas I got all the way home the other day in the Mercedes and remembered I was leaving early the next day and needed a full tank of gas. I had to back out of my garage and go get gas and come back. Would have much rather just plugged it in and gone inside.
Yeah, I do see some loss in the winter, but nowhere near 20%. SC weather may be factor, even though it does get cold overnight here in winter. Probably a worse case scenario. Worse case scenarios for EV I've seen are 40 percent.
Either way, I really don't care. I get back to my full range, whether is 10% less, 20% less, or 50% less, in less than 5 minutes at a million places anywhere along my route. I never even think about my cars range or when/where/how I'm going to refuel, how fast is my gas pump, will it damage my gas tank. No matter what the temp. So, I really don't care.
There's a lot of things I like and even love about EVs. Charging and managing range and battery health are not any of them.
This was an issue with older EV'S, there is no modern EV that loses 40 percent, even in the most extreme weather. Extreme weather they would lose 10 percent. When the weather is in the 30's, I maybe lose 2 percent range. But that doesn't really matter because 99 percent of the time I drive 20 miles a day, and have the option to charge at home every night. If I do need to fast charge, 10 minutes gets me 100 miles plus of range if I'm in a hurry
This was an issue with older EV'S, there is no modern EV that loses 40 percent, even in the most extreme weather. Extreme weather they would lose 10 percent. When the weather is in the 30's, I maybe lose 2 percent range. But that doesn't really matter because 99 percent of the time I drive 20 miles a day, and have the option to charge at home every night. If I do need to fast charge, 10 minutes gets me 100 miles plus of range if I'm in a hurry
Disagree... We just had some 20 degree weather and saw huge losses in both our Model Y and EQS SUV. In worst cases, we were seeing a total range of 165 miles for the Model Y and 196 miles with the EQS SUV. In the summer, our Y can do 240-250 miles. The EQS SUV can push near 350 miles.
In the summer, our Model Y averages 275 wh/mi. We see as high as 450 wh/mi in winter in the Y. That is a huge difference.
To say that modern EVs barely take a hit in the winter is a lie, in my opinion.
Disagree... We just had some 20 degree weather and saw huge losses in both our Model Y and EQS SUV. In worst cases, we were seeing a total range of 165 miles for the Model Y and 196 miles with the EQS SUV. In the summer, our Y can do 240-250 miles. The EQS SUV can push near 350 miles.
In the summer, our Model Y averages 275 wh/mi. We see as high as 450 wh/mi in winter in the Y. That is a huge difference.
To say that modern EVs barely take a hit in the winter is a lie, in my opinion.
I guess we are lucky here with the weather, the biggest hit I've taken is on the Polestar, which drops to about 37-38 kWh per 100 miles as it doesn't have a heat pump. On the Model Y, I'm maintaining about 28-29 kWh per 100 miles. Can't argue with physics
In addition, we just took a road trip in 33-35 degree weather in the EQS. In those temps with 4 passengers, we were able to achieve 260-270 miles on one charge when we’d normally have 300 or more miles.
In that 34ish degree weather, the EQS averaged around 400 wh/mi when in the summer it would achieve 310-320 wh/mi.
Heat pump or no heat pump, there’s a big hit. Our EQS without a heat pump still has more range so far than the Y. There hasn’t been a scenario yet which the Y would have more range than the EQS. We’ll see what happens as we get closer to 0 degrees
In addition, we just took a road trip in 33-35 degree weather in the EQS. In those temps with 4 passengers, we were able to achieve 260-270 miles on one charge when we’d normally have 300 or more miles.
In that 34ish degree weather, the EQS averaged around 400 wh/mi when in the summer it would achieve 310-320 wh/mi.
Heat pump or no heat pump, there’s a big hit. Our EQS without a heat pump still has more range so far than the Y. There hasn’t been a scenario yet which the Y would have more range than the EQS. We’ll see what happens as we get closer to 0 degrees
In December I'm going to be taking a trip to SoCal, some of the areas we pass through will be in the 30's and upper 20's. Let's see how the Y does, this will be my first cold weather trip I'm taking it on.
Energy usage jumps in colder weather, be it ICE, EV or household usage. This month, we almost hit 1000 kWh usage:
Of course, it doesn't help that we just got an Electric stove
But hey, it's Wifi connected, can be managed through an app, and has an easily cleanable glass top
In December I'm going to be taking a trip to SoCal, some of the areas we pass through will be in the 30's and upper 20's. Let's see how the Y does, this will be my first cold weather trip I'm taking it on.
Energy usage jumps in colder weather, be it ICE, EV or household usage. This month, we almost hit 1000 kWh usage:
Of course, it doesn't help that we just got an Electric stove
But hey, it's Wifi connected, can be managed through an app, and has an easily cleanable glass top
LoL that's so cool! Our gas stove broke, and my wife wanted an electric stove. This one was on sale, so I bought it. It uses 2 X the energy of our gas stove, but natural gas is getting more expensive year after year, and I produce enough solar throughout the year to cover the extra energy used by the stove. And it's very easy to clean.
I wanted a gas stove, but my wife wanted this. She does the cooking, so who am I to argue with her
one thing this thread has made me realize... i don't miss living where there's really cold weather!
i hate having to put on / take off loads of clothes, hats, gloves, coats, boots
i hate shoveling snow
i hate scraping ice
i hate freezing
i hate worrying about falling or driving on ice and snow
ev's don't work as well
solar doesn't work as well
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11-30-23, 05:27 AM
I could plug in once a week, but just like staying in the habit of daily charging
