AMIRZA786

​​​​​​ Possibly, but as people start learning about them and driving them, that changes. A lot of people didn't like Apple products, now they tell me they can never go back to Android or Windows. People who told me they would never own an EV are now driving Model 3 and Y.... the best selling car in the world as of the upcoming Q4. Just give people time

SW17LS

You're missing my point.

You're displaying a double standard here judging Apple for things and not judging Tesla for the same things and you're not seeing it because you drink Tesla's "Kool-Aid" but don't drink Apple's. I have no problem with EVs, and this has nothing to do with EVs vs ICE cars. I have no problem with how Tesla or Apple design or service their products, I don't own cars out of warranty nor do I upgrade or repair computers...I just replace both so Tesla's and Apple's serviceability ethos suits me fine. Most people interface with cars and technology like I do I think, especially tech-cars like EVs.

Give me a new car and a new laptop every three years, a new phone once a year and I'm a happy camper. Thats what Apple and Tesla want, they don't want you to keep them for a long time, hence they don't make keeping them attractive.

AMIRZA786

I'm not sure why you even care, it's my personal choice. I've never said Apple products are bad, they are just not for me. Just like you have your preferences, which I never criticize. So I'm just not going to get into this discussion... again.

I respect your preferences, I ask that you respect mine.

We are both here because we both have an interest in EV'S, Tesla or non Tesla. So let's stick to those discussions

swajames

May not be long before Apple is competing in the EV marketplace. Look up Project Titan. Remains to be seen whether Apple will market its own EV or provide the software platform along with self driving for someone else’s, but make no mistake, CarPlay etc was just Apple’s tentative toe in the automotive water. Apple has been building this out for years and has billions invested.

SW17LS

I just find the double standard interesting...that kind of thing really fascinates me.

Not in any way passing judgement on your choice, I totally understand buying a Tesla. its the lack of awareness that I'm pointing out, you guys get very defensive about Tesla...its just very strange to me. I haven't said anything about your choice...

AMIRZA786

Lol thanks for pointing out my weaknesses. They are what they are, and your not going fix them. But thanks for trying

SW17LS

May as well have some level of sense of humor about them lol, lord knows I do!

AMIRZA786

Haha I can cry, or laugh about them 🤣

LeX2K

Has Apple starting building a car factory yet?

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

i agree with this... in general i think ev's are being built as disposable (recyclable) things.

still time for you to buy apple stock.
and i'm sure foxconn will build 'em for apple.

geko29

I don't believe so, but Xiaomi has. And they're calling their different motor platforms.....wait for it.....V6 and V8

AMIRZA786

Hyundai Ioniq U.S. Sales Tripled Again In December 2023

With over 5,300 sales, it was the third best month ever for the E-GMP-based Hyundai electric cars

Hyundai Motor America reported 75,164 vehicle sales in the United States in December, which is up 4.3% year-over-year. That represents Hyundai's 17th month of consecutive growth and the best December ever. In 2023, the brand sold 801,195 vehicles, which is 10.6% more than a year ago. However, the strongest growth was seen in the all-electric car segment, which tripled last month, expanding to over 7% of the brand's total volume.In December, sales of the Hyundai E-GMP-based all-electric cars—Ioniq 5 and Ioniq 6—amounted to 3,261 and 2,056 respectively, for a total of 5,317. That's a 209% increase year-over-year. The share of E-GMP BEVs out of Hyundai's total volume improved to 7.1%, compared to just 2.4% a year ago.

It's worth noting that the Ioniq 5 is still going strong with a 90% increase in sales year-over-year and the Ioniq 6 added an additional 2,056 units, making the two models' overall progress very strong. On top of that comes sales of Hyundai Kona Electric, for which numbers are not available because it's counted together with the internal combustion Kona.

Hyundai BEV sales last month (YOY change):

• Hyundai Ioniq 5: 3,261 (up 90%)
• Hyundai Ioniq 6: 2,056 (new)
• Hyundai Kona Electric: N/A
• Total Ioniq family: 5,317 (up 209%) and 7.1% share

During the fourth quarter of 2023, Hyundai's E-GMP-based electric car sales amounted to 13,293, which is 196% more than a year ago and 6.5% of Hyundai's total volume.

In 2023, close to 47,000 Hyundai Ioniq 5/Ioniq 6 were sold in the U.S. (up 104% year-over-year, although the Ioniq 6 was not available a year ago). That's almost a 6% share of Hyundai's total sales. We guess that the Kona Electric adds a few thousand as well.

Hyundai BEV sales year-to-date (YOY change):

• Hyundai Ioniq 5: 33,918 (up 48%)
• Hyundai Ioniq 6: 12,999 (new)
• Hyundai Kona Electric: N/A
• Total Ioniq family: 46,917 (up 104%) and 5.9% share

For reference, during the 12 months of 2022, the total sales of the Hyundai Ioniq 5 amounted to 22,982, representing about 3.2% of the total volume.



Unfortunately, the official stats do not include the sales results of other plug-in models (like the Santa Fe PHEV and Tucson PHEV), as they are counted together with conventional or non-rechargeable hybrids.

What we do know is that the Santa Fe PHEV and Tucson PHEV also noted strong year-over-year growth in December, by respectively 3,205% and 8,455%, but most likely from a low base in 2022.

The hydrogen fuel cell model, the Hyundai Nexo, noted 25 units sold last month. In 2023, 241 have been delivered, which is 41% less than a year ago.

https://insideevs.com/news/703084/hy...-december2023/

LeX2K

I found the perfect product for people that are resisting EVs and touch interfaces.

SW17LS

Touch interface on the iPhone works well and makes sense. Touchscreen in the car sucks IMO.

1111GS

Tesla recently lowered their advertised ranges. I heard complaints about these numbers all the times and wondered if their complaints were legit. What about other brands? Are their advertised ranges accurate?