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#1006
Lexus Champion
"Don't get all defensive. That's why I'm saying own both!!!"
On this point, not everyone wants to own both. Eventually they will come out with an EV minivan, and I will own Zero gas cars. If your solution is owning both and that works for you, then own both. Every individual has to do what's best for themselves
On this point, not everyone wants to own both. Eventually they will come out with an EV minivan, and I will own Zero gas cars. If your solution is owning both and that works for you, then own both. Every individual has to do what's best for themselves
#1007
Lexus Champion
"Don't get all defensive. That's why I'm saying own both!!!"
On this point, not everyone wants to own both. Eventually they will come out with an EV minivan, and I will own Zero gas cars. If your solution is owning both and that works for you, then own both. Every individual has to do what's best for themselves
On this point, not everyone wants to own both. Eventually they will come out with an EV minivan, and I will own Zero gas cars. If your solution is owning both and that works for you, then own both. Every individual has to do what's best for themselves
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Margate330 (01-08-24)
#1008
Lexus Champion
This makes zero sense.. You are creating an issue where there isn't one. I say own a gas car for trips and I get ripped apart. Read up there again, I never said you said I said EVs were even BEING pushed on me?? Nor did I say anything except the truth that they present challenges for long travel, especially in an emergency. When I say that I'm not saying all of your mothers are *****s.... There's a problem with me suggesting to own both ICE and EV? That's what most people do around here. Sheesh.
Now riddle me this, if I go to Car Chat should I bitterly complain people keep extolling the virtue of petrol cars?
#1009
Lexus Test Driver
#1010
Lexus Champion
"Now that I don't have to buy gas, there's no way I want to go back to $80 a week gas fill-up's, even if I can afford it. Also, you don't charge for 30 minutes, it's a quick stop, 10 or 12 minutes, by the time I take a **** I'm ready to move on.
There's nothing written in stone that you can't own both. That's an individual choice. I still have my Sienna, although I barely use it. Many people I know own both"
The last sentence I actually agreed with you, but you still seemed to get upset and throw some stones at California, which I don't understand why when I was actually agreeing with you
#1011
Lexus Fanatic
If all I had was an EV and I needed to for some reason drive a 500 mile trip in an emergency, I would rent an ICE car or fly. I would do the same thing if all I had was a 20 year old car too
What if I was escaping a nuclear disaster?! See it just goes down the rabbit hole.
Don't get all defensive. That's why I'm saying own both!!!
Not pushing or not pushing anything, I think that's a legitimate solution though.
Not pushing or not pushing anything, I think that's a legitimate solution though.
#1012
Lexus Champion
My God people, excuse me for living.
I didn't insult California, I said not everywhere is like it which is the truth.
Stop telling me I'm upset, lol. Nobody is upset. I'm sorry if it's offensive that I suggested what everyone does here, in this city. Seems to work for them.
I didn't insult California, I said not everywhere is like it which is the truth.
Stop telling me I'm upset, lol. Nobody is upset. I'm sorry if it's offensive that I suggested what everyone does here, in this city. Seems to work for them.
Last edited by AJT123; 01-08-24 at 01:05 PM.
#1013
Lexus Fanatic
This is exactly the reason why the EV forum was created, so that EV fans wouldn't have to constantly defend the existence and viability of EVs to people who don't have them and don't want them. Every conversation with you about EVs becomes about EVs vs ICE cars and how they are less than.
#1014
Lexus Champion
So my point stands.
That's just not true. I can't help it that the thought of how charging wouldn't work in a dire emergency popped into my head on that rushed drive..
I said I wanted a Cybertruck and a Plaid if I had all kinds of money.... more than once.
I'm not slamming EVs, I just said own both.
I said I wanted a Cybertruck and a Plaid if I had all kinds of money.... more than once.
I'm not slamming EVs, I just said own both.
#1015
Lexus Champion
This is exactly the reason why the EV forum was created, so that EV fans wouldn't have to constantly defend the existence and viability of EVs to people who don't have them and don't want them. Every conversation with you about EVs becomes about EVs vs ICE cars and how they are less than.
#1016
Lexus Champion
My God people, excuse me for living.
I didn't insult California, I said not everywhere is like it which is the truth.
Stop telling me I'm upset, lol. Nobody is upset. I'm sorry if it's offensive that I suggested what everyone does here, in this city. Seems to work for them.
I didn't insult California, I said not everywhere is like it which is the truth.
Stop telling me I'm upset, lol. Nobody is upset. I'm sorry if it's offensive that I suggested what everyone does here, in this city. Seems to work for them.
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BayeauxLex (01-08-24)
#1017
Lexus Champion
I don't care if you insult Calif, and I don't think anyone is offended. You just have to realize that you are in a sub forum where people love EV's. Imagine if I went into a BMW forum and purposed to everyone that they should also own a Toyota or Lexus for travelling purposes because they are more reliable. People wouldn't be too happy, now would they? Anyway, no big deal, your point is taken
I just recently found out that you lose range driving above about 75ish which I genuinely didn't know. I asked about it, my throat didn't get jumped down then. Just genuinely want to learn.
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BayeauxLex (01-08-24)
#1018
Between San Francisco and Los Angeles, there are so many Tesla chargers that travelling in a Tesla is extremely easy, and stress free. IMHO of course. Here is an example of two supercharger stops on the way
Easier to use than a gas pump. Just pull in, plug into the car and it automatically detects your car and begins charging. 10 or 15 minutes later, you are on your way. I know I keep repeating this, but I spend less than 30 minutes the whole trip to Southern California charging. Plus I save a lot of money over gas. My last trip where I drove over a 1200 miles I spent around $120, my gas car I would have spent double that
Easier to use than a gas pump. Just pull in, plug into the car and it automatically detects your car and begins charging. 10 or 15 minutes later, you are on your way. I know I keep repeating this, but I spend less than 30 minutes the whole trip to Southern California charging. Plus I save a lot of money over gas. My last trip where I drove over a 1200 miles I spent around $120, my gas car I would have spent double that
Well we can all afford the gas, that's not an issue for us either.
So here's another way to look at it.
Let's say your EV saves $3500 per year on gas. And let's say you put that $3500 per year in Tesla stock for the past five years.
You'd have the best part of $75,000 today. Couple of years back when TSLA was at its peak and your return at that point would have been well over $100,000.
So here's another way to look at it.
Let's say your EV saves $3500 per year on gas. And let's say you put that $3500 per year in Tesla stock for the past five years.
You'd have the best part of $75,000 today. Couple of years back when TSLA was at its peak and your return at that point would have been well over $100,000.
Now that I don't have to buy gas, there's no way I want to go back to $80 a week gas fill-up's, even if I can afford it. Also, you don't charge for 30 minutes, it's a quick stop, 10 or 12 minutes, by the time I take a **** I'm ready to move on.
There's nothing written in stone that you can't own both. That's an individual choice. I still have my Sienna, although I barely use it. Many people I know own both
There's nothing written in stone that you can't own both. That's an individual choice. I still have my Sienna, although I barely use it. Many people I know own both
April 2023 - $28.31
May 2023 - $41.67
June 2023 - $35.60
July 2023 - $59.71
Aug 2023 - $60.08
Sept 2023 - $58.73
Oct 2023 - $61.77
Nov 2023 - $35.41
Dec 2023 - $47.10
Jan 2024 - $4.92
Fast forward to date, in less than 10 months I’m already over 15k miles in my PHEV and this is with me owning multiple vehicles. I haven’t pumped gas in my PHEV since Sept. 10, 2023, my last road trip in it. I haven’t seen a noticeable increase in my electricity bill because I have average monthly billing where it takes an average of your last 12 months. For the past few months, I started charging at work as well (level 1). I believe if I’m not mistaken, my PHEV has seen 3 tanks of gas in over 15k miles. The first tank lasted 3,325 miles after 3-4 months. Took a road trip, that next tank lasted 3 months up until the last road trip back in Sept. Granted it’s low on gas now but as long as it has EV range, I’m not stopping to put fuel in it. I believe I drive in EV mode just as much or more than some of you here with full BEV vehicles.
#1019
I recently drove to Vancouver and then up the coast, trip in the Y was incredible. It EATS mountain roads like they are nothing. I won't ever do the trip in a gas car again.
Now riddle me this, if I go to Car Chat should I bitterly complain people keep extolling the virtue of petrol cars?
Now riddle me this, if I go to Car Chat should I bitterly complain people keep extolling the virtue of petrol cars?
For those who currently don’t own BEVs we are here to learn from those that do and their experiences.
#1020
Lexus Champion
So on the Tesla website, it will factor how much money you will save owning whatever Tesla model you’re looking at vs a gas car that gets 25mpg. You can adjust it whatever the mpg is on what you’re comparing it to. Well my PHEV averages 40mpg and I believe over the course of 15k miles per year I believe it said I would save $600/yr driving a MYLR vs my PHEV. So I called my insurance company and got a quote on a MYLR. The 6 month premium came back to $921. The 6 month premium on my PHEV is $529.12. So I’ve had a level 2 charger since April and according to my charger this is how much charging at home has cost me.
April 2023 - $28.31
May 2023 - $41.67
June 2023 - $35.60
July 2023 - $59.71
Aug 2023 - $60.08
Sept 2023 - $58.73
Oct 2023 - $61.77
Nov 2023 - $35.41
Dec 2023 - $47.10
Jan 2024 - $4.92
Fast forward to date, in less than 10 months I’m already over 15k miles in my PHEV and this is with me owning multiple vehicles. I haven’t pumped gas in my PHEV since Sept. 10, 2023, my last road trip in it. I haven’t seen a noticeable increase in my electricity bill because I have average monthly billing where it takes an average of your last 12 months. For the past few months, I started charging at work as well (level 1). I believe if I’m not mistaken, my PHEV has seen 3 tanks of gas in over 15k miles. The first tank lasted 3,325 miles after 3-4 months. Took a road trip, that next tank lasted 3 months up until the last road trip back in Sept. Granted it’s low on gas now but as long as it has EV range, I’m not stopping to put fuel in it. I believe I drive in EV mode just as much or more than some of you here with full BEV vehicles.
I believe you know already. You own 6 of them.
April 2023 - $28.31
May 2023 - $41.67
June 2023 - $35.60
July 2023 - $59.71
Aug 2023 - $60.08
Sept 2023 - $58.73
Oct 2023 - $61.77
Nov 2023 - $35.41
Dec 2023 - $47.10
Jan 2024 - $4.92
Fast forward to date, in less than 10 months I’m already over 15k miles in my PHEV and this is with me owning multiple vehicles. I haven’t pumped gas in my PHEV since Sept. 10, 2023, my last road trip in it. I haven’t seen a noticeable increase in my electricity bill because I have average monthly billing where it takes an average of your last 12 months. For the past few months, I started charging at work as well (level 1). I believe if I’m not mistaken, my PHEV has seen 3 tanks of gas in over 15k miles. The first tank lasted 3,325 miles after 3-4 months. Took a road trip, that next tank lasted 3 months up until the last road trip back in Sept. Granted it’s low on gas now but as long as it has EV range, I’m not stopping to put fuel in it. I believe I drive in EV mode just as much or more than some of you here with full BEV vehicles.
I believe you know already. You own 6 of them.
Prior to buying my first BEV, I had a 10 Gen Civic Si. It was extremely efficient, and routine maint was cheap. But after a little more than a year I sold it and bought an IS350, which was not efficient at all, needed twice the maint, and had a much higher cost of ownership. It was just a better car, and funner to drive than the Civic Si.
Seriously, if I was really trying to save money, I would buy a Corolla or Civic
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BayeauxLex (01-08-24)