LeX2K

Here are some rough numbers keep in mind temps were -30 as a high and night -37-ish. My Camry dropped from 27mpg to 16mpg there is no way around it a gas engine sucks back gas in very cold weather. Tesla range dropped 35% except 1 day where the cabin was pre-heated several times in that case range dropped by 50%.

Heat in my Camry is excellent much better than V6 Toyota/Lexus*. Heat in the Tesla is fine, better than I was expecting. I'd like it to warm the car faster, for whatever reason I expect it to be instant lol.

* heat in my Highlander Hybrid is just okay on very cold days it can't keep up. Not that you freeze but you can't roast yourself.

AMIRZA786

Not very good news for Polestar...

https://seekingalpha.com/article/466...ivery-troubles

LeX2K

That sucks. My theory is in hard times people fall back to what they know, which means gas cars. Probably not a popular opinion but Polestar as a brand should not exist they should be Volvo's. This is like Scion was to Toyota IMO nothing at all wrong with the cars but the brand differentiation ultimately hurts. How many people know what a Polestar is? Everyone knows Volvo and respects them. Polestar has to establish a customer base from scratch.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

wow that's really bad. i agree lex that polestar should have been volvo brand, but i assume they wanted financial separation with all the risk around ev's (didn't want to risk having polestar sink volvo as well).

what is polestar's 'usp' (unique selling proposition)?

DaveGS4

iTrader: (2)

And I never understood why Volvo then started making their own EVs after Polestar was created.

https://www.volvocars.com/us/cars/electric-cars/

SW17LS

Agree, Volvo handled Polestar in a really strange way

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

i think its all about managing financial risk with polestar being the proverbial canary in the coal (lithium? ) mine for volvo.

SW17LS

But you would think Volvo wouldn't come out with EVs to compete with Polestar

AMIRZA786

Not only that, but they came out with the Exact same EV's, just with a Volvo logo and a different name. Slightly different lights, slightly different infotaiment look, but essentially same cars. Supposably the Polestar 3 was going to be their break out SUV, but here we have the Volvo EX90 Lol

AMIRZA786

I love the brand, but it doesn't look good for them. They have less than a Billion in cash, and unlike Lucid, don't have an unlimited flow of money. I was considering buying out my Polestar at the end of it's lease, but it's looking like that won't be such a good idea

swajames

I wouldn't pay much attention to anything on Seeking Alpha.

swajames

The money collected from Polestar and Volvo EV sales just goes into a different pocket on the same jacket, and the development costs all come out of the same wallet. Volvo sells EVs because there are customers who will buy a Volvo but won't buy a Polestar, perhaps for no other reason than they don't know they are one and the same. Not everyone pays attention to these things, and for many customers Polestar is something of an unknown.

SW17LS

So bizarre! Like, what is the selling proposition for Polestar?

AMIRZA786

They were supposed to be an EV spinout from Volvo, concentrating on performance. As you probably already know, Polestar started out as a performance division for Volvo, kind of like M for BMW and AMG for Mercedes

swajames

EV only brand, plus some don't associate Volvo with performance and might assume a Volvo branded EV will be safety first, not performance oriented. Polestar was originally a Volvo-centric performance tuner (and was acquired by Volvo) so the brand has that association.