home charger
10-12-23, 08:09 PM
#91
Lexus Champion
That's why I had a professional electrician do the install. No DIY on this for me
10-12-23, 08:21 PM
#92
Super Moderator
To install it the first time? Yes, licensed electrician. To replace one that's already there? Absolutely trivial, completely DIY zone--replacing an outlet or light switch is more difficult, and those are pretty easy to begin with. If a handyman isn't confident enough in his skills to swap three wires in screw terminals where the only one you have to get right is the ground (and that one is blindingly obvious), I don't want him working on my plumbing, woodworking, or really, anything in my house at all.
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10-13-23, 08:02 AM
#93
Lexus Fanatic
To install it the first time? Yes, licensed electrician. To replace one that's already there? Absolutely trivial, completely DIY zone--replacing an outlet or light switch is more difficult, and those are pretty easy to begin with. If a handyman isn't confident enough in his skills to swap three wires in screw terminals where the only one you have to get right is the ground (and that one is blindingly obvious), I don't want him working on my plumbing, woodworking, or really, anything in my house at all.
Honestly, I would rather replace a switch or an outlet myself than have a handyman do it who isn't specifically licensed to do electrical work. If I'm taking on the liability then at least I know its done right because I did it. No way I would let a handyman wire an EV charger, and good handymen would refuse to do it anyways because theres too much liability.
Last edited by SW17LS; 10-13-23 at 08:06 AM.
10-13-23, 08:24 AM
#94
Super Moderator
Honestly, I would rather replace a switch or an outlet myself than have a handyman do it who isn't specifically licensed to do electrical work. If I'm taking on the liability then at least I know its done right because I did it. No way I would let a handyman wire an EV charger, and good handymen would refuse to do it anyways because theres too much liability.
10-13-23, 08:34 AM
#95
Lexus Fanatic
Absolutely, you can. You can do lots of stuff yourself. Would I? No. Would I recommend to others that they do? No.
Last edited by SW17LS; 10-13-23 at 08:37 AM.
10-13-23, 09:07 AM
#96
I don't let a handyman replace an outlet or a switch either, and my handyman contractors won't do it anyways. Its liability. Its not that they CAN'T do it, of course they can, I can do it, but you take on liability when you do that and my experience over 20 years in the housing industry dealing with contractors and construction and renovations and repairs has taught me the savings isn't worth the liability. We manage over 400 rental properties and we turn them over all the time, we have general contractors, painters, handymen, electricians, plumbers...everybody does what they do and not what they don't do. We have some vendors who do multiple things and thats great, but they are licensed to do all the work that they are doing.
Honestly, I would rather replace a switch or an outlet myself than have a handyman do it who isn't specifically licensed to do electrical work. If I'm taking on the liability then at least I know its done right because I did it. No way I would let a handyman wire an EV charger, and good handymen would refuse to do it anyways because theres too much liability.
Honestly, I would rather replace a switch or an outlet myself than have a handyman do it who isn't specifically licensed to do electrical work. If I'm taking on the liability then at least I know its done right because I did it. No way I would let a handyman wire an EV charger, and good handymen would refuse to do it anyways because theres too much liability.
What really surprises me is your comment below:
Is it just that you don't want to ask for a favor, or are you're not on good terms with your labor force? I would think one of them would do the work pro bono as a thank you. It would literally take one of them 15 minutes to do a swap.
10-13-23, 09:25 AM
#97
Lexus Fanatic
If replacing an outlet, or a light switch was as big a liability as you claim, a permit and licensed electrician would be required to do the job. It seems like you're just not used to doing things like this for yourself. My parents wouldn't do this kind of work either, but they also don't hand wash their cars, or cut their own grass. Not to mention, they're in their mid 80's.
Is it just that you don't want to ask for a favor, or are you're not on good terms with your labor force? I would think one of them would do the work pro bono as a thank you. It would literally take one of them 15 minutes to do a swap.
I would only have an electrician do that though I wouldn’t want one of my other tradespeople to do that. And they wouldn’t anyways.
10-13-23, 09:28 AM
#98
Lexus Test Driver
Even tho it may be a 15 min job, it always much longer.
i deal with this in my job.
just talking to the customer before, during, and after the job can take more than that. Handling, scheduling, getting parts, checking the work, etc, etc.
From A-Z total time invested is always multiples of what people think it is.
The time the tool is in the hand may be 15 mins but the total cost can be an hour or two.
10-13-23, 10:04 AM
#99
If someone is handing out a lot of work to a contractor, they may offer to help sometimes, just as a token of gratitude.
Even tho it may be a 15 min job, it always much longer.
i deal with this in my job.
just talking to the customer before, during, and after the job can take more than that. Handling, scheduling, getting parts, checking the work, etc, etc.
From A-Z total time invested is always multiples of what people think it is.
The time the tool is in the hand may be 15 mins but the total cost can be an hour or two.
Even tho it may be a 15 min job, it always much longer.
i deal with this in my job.
just talking to the customer before, during, and after the job can take more than that. Handling, scheduling, getting parts, checking the work, etc, etc.
From A-Z total time invested is always multiples of what people think it is.
The time the tool is in the hand may be 15 mins but the total cost can be an hour or two.
In reality, though, I can't see the need to ever replace a working charger. Unless, you're also upgrading the whole circuit, which would then require a qualified licensed electrician. Steve never replied as to why he thought he would need to replace a hardwired charger. I think he just used that excuse, because he initially claimed a plug-in charger was just as good as hardwired. Once he was proven wrong, he changed the scope.
10-13-23, 10:53 AM
#100
Lexus Fanatic
I never claimed a plug in charger was as good as a hardwired charger, I said you could get a hardwired charger to operate at 50 amps (or 48 amps).
Why would I want to replace one? Technology moves quickly. Might there be a better charger down the line that integrates better into a smart home or something like that? Might I originally have a car with a CCS plug and get another one with an NACS plug and not want to deal with adapters? Might it stop working right and need to be replaced? Might one be smaller and take up less space on my wall?
I haven’t even done this yet, and I may go the route of hardwiring it when I do but those are the reasons why I would consider just a plug in unit. To me the difference in charging speed between 40 and 50 amps isn’t a big deal.
Why would I want to replace one? Technology moves quickly. Might there be a better charger down the line that integrates better into a smart home or something like that? Might I originally have a car with a CCS plug and get another one with an NACS plug and not want to deal with adapters? Might it stop working right and need to be replaced? Might one be smaller and take up less space on my wall?
I haven’t even done this yet, and I may go the route of hardwiring it when I do but those are the reasons why I would consider just a plug in unit. To me the difference in charging speed between 40 and 50 amps isn’t a big deal.
10-13-23, 11:11 AM
#101
Lexus Champion
Who knew charging was so complicated. Falcon 9 rocket with 27 Merlin engines is less complicated.
10-13-23, 11:58 AM
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10-13-23, 11:58 AM
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10-13-23, 01:09 PM
#104
Lexus Fanatic
My neighbors is plugged into a 14-50 outlet on a 60 amp breaker.
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10-13-23, 02:50 PM
#105
They can not pull 48A on a plug-in. I asked you to provide proof, and you shared a unit that can be hardwired (48A), or plugged in (40A). It was actually a nice unit, that allows for upgrading if needed.