I keep the minivan around because sometimes I need the lower load floor. Also helps for Costco and airport runs. The good thing is that a tank of gas lasts me a month. I put maybe 3k miles a year on it

 

Is anyone willing to admit they are keeping their gas car in the event something catastrophic happens with their BEV, charging or in case of an emergency where a gas vehicle is needed?

Or simply not confident yet to go all BEV.

I believe there’s only one here who owns a MY and an EQS and no gas vehicle to my knowledge.

 

I'm more worried about the opposite happening. I lived through the gas crises of the '70s, although I wasn't driving yet. I remember my parents needing to get in line on even, or odd days. If we lose electricity, I think I would have bigger issues to be concerned with.

 

Speaking for myself only, I'm keeping my Sienna because it's paid for, it seats 8 people, has a giant cargo area, and it's a minivan. If a BEV minivan came out tomorrow I wouldn't run out and get it because that would be financially irresponsible. When the time comes to replace it, it will be most likely another BEV.

I'm 100 percent confident I could go fully electric, it's already March and we've only used it once this year. Last time I filled up the gas was around January. If power ever went out, I know the Tesla chargers use a combination of battery and generator backup. I actually plan to also install a backup generator at some point.

Remember, gas stations also require power to pump gas. Some of my colleagues in our Texas office couldn't fill up when they had that really bad winter a few years back

 

that's based on a fixed amount of resource. oil is also a finite resource but obviously there's still 'some' exploration, and lithium exploration is definitely in full swing.

problem is, there will likely be a giant fight in california getting that lithium out of the ground.[/quote]

works great in dark mode. i say this because i constantly get black text on the dark background in some quoted posts. it's a hot mess.

 

i would wager that 'study' has some oil money behind it.

 

Never thought anyone would argue that a finite resource is better than one that is recycled over and over yet here we are.

 

Conspiracy theory with no evidence is always the last refuge when valid data-driven counter-arguments are lacking.

 

1. No one is arguing that. The argument is over the current life cycle of both paths, and how it is possible for PHEVs and HEVs to be as "clean" (or even cleaner) overall as the BEVs.

2. Porsche is looking into eFuels, which are synthetic hydrocarbons.

 

Possibly so...

Not so fast friend.

I wouldn't call it a conspiracy theory to make a wager like @bitkahuna did

Totally within the realm of possibilities, we are talking huge companies, markets, and supply chains and everyone has an agenda and much to gain(or loose) and we've seen fakeness too many times.

Have to question everything!

That's how the world works.
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More data



https://www.transportenvironment.org...electric-cars/

 

Not so fast. Neither you nor anyone here can validate that data, and what most are pushing back on here is the interpretation of that data and the conclusions that were reached. And it’s entirely legitimate to question funding behind reports that otherwise wouldn’t exist unless someone commissioned them because there’s always an agenda. Always. The EV market has been plagued since its infancy with bogus reports specifically designed to reach specific conclusions and, generally speaking, they could be traced back to those with something to lose or without something to sell. That’s the reason people question these things.

 

2023 Tesla Model Y, 384 HP, 0-60 in 4.6 seconds


Total miles, 11,832. Average MPG, 122. Tank is full every morning. Super high efficiency, except I have almost double your HP

 

Interesting study, thank you. The problem with it is:

1. it only considers carbon dioxide emissions it seems. The study in the OP factors in the generation of a lot more types of pollutants, including particulates.

2. it does not consider driving behavior. For example, people in the USA on average drive less than 37 miles (60 km) per day, and this would significantly affect CO2 emissions for PHEV drivers (no CO2 at all on most days, given that many PHEVs have EV ranges greater than that)

 

So we're still spinning the tyre particulates, despite the earlier debunking?