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Old 03-15-24, 02:47 PM
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Here’s my R4P in EV mode at 75mph
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Here’s the same “loud, buzzy, screaming” R4P in hybrid mode aka 4 cylinder mode on same highway at same 75mph. I actually pressed the gas to make sure I could hear the engine. All I was hearing was wind noise same as in EV mode.

Let me know, I can do the same test in my “loud” 3rd gen Prius as I have more errands to run later this evening. Upon request I will drive one of the V8s
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Here’s my R4P in EV mode at 75mph
You guys are really determined 🤣You actually installed a decibel app, drove 75 MPH and posted it! I seriously love you guys

Have to admit, I would've never done that 😂

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Originally Posted by BayeauxLex

Here’s the same “loud, buzzy, screaming” R4P in hybrid mode aka 4 cylinder mode on same highway at same 75mph. I actually pressed the gas to make sure I could hear the engine. All I was hearing was wind noise same as in EV mode.

Let me know, I can do the same test in my “loud” 3rd gen Prius as I have more errands to run later this evening. Upon request I will drive one of the V8s
You aren't listening. The road noise at speed comes from the vehicle overall and not the engine. At highway speed the engine is a very small part of the overall noise profile. The Prius is loud at highway speed because its an economy car with very little sound deadening, not because it has a 4 cyl. Rav 4 is not a quiet car either, quieter than the Prius though.

Phone sound apps also are not very precise
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Originally Posted by BayeauxLex



Here’s my R4P in EV mode at 75mph
LOL...you actually went and tested. I like how people keep moving the goalposts...you show that noise is not high in the plugins and hybrids (with actual measurable data), and suddenly it's about something else.

We know BEV people here might not go back to hybrids (HEV/PHEV) or def ICE. That's fine, you do you. But no need to try to push down other people's cars with anecdotal data about how bad they are, when we've actually been driving the things forever and know what their negatives and positives are - just as I hope you know what the positives and negatives are for your vehicles
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
You guys are really determined 🤣You actually installed a decibel app, drove 75 MPH and posted it! I seriously love you guys

Have to admit, I would've never done that 😂
I find it funny guys try which one of my cars is louder to me 🤣
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LOL...you actually went and tested. I like how people keep moving the goalposts...you show that noise is not high in the plugins and hybrids (with actual measurable data), and suddenly it's about something else.

We know BEV people here might not go back to hybrids (HEV/PHEV) or def ICE. That's fine, you do you. But no need to try to push down other people's cars with anecdotal data about how bad they are, when we've actually been driving the things forever and know what their negatives and positives are - just as I hope you know what the positives and negatives are for your vehicles
No, it's not been about noise alone, and you know it. It's about BEV's being a better driving experience. Please don't make stuff up
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You not understanding what we are saying is not moving the goalposts lol

70 db is not a quiet car, BTW...

But no need to try to push down other people's cars with anecdotal data about how bad they are, when we've actually been driving the things forever and know what their negatives and positives are
Again, I owned the car for 7 years. You can keep pretending that I don't know what I'm talking about but I do. Not anecdotal.
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Originally Posted by BayeauxLex
I find it funny guys try which one of my cars is louder to me 🤣
Well you want to talk about noise...71.2 db is loud, so you really didn't help yourself. But I do find it entertaining
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Originally Posted by AMIRZA786
No, it's not been about noise alone, and you know it. It's about a better driving experience. Please don't make stuff up
And the noise is not the result of only the engine...
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So decibels are measured logarithmically and a 10dB increase roughly doubles the perceived intensity. That’s a more significant difference than I think you realize.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
You aren't listening. The road noise at speed comes from the vehicle overall and not the engine. At highway speed the engine is a very small part of the overall noise profile. The Prius is loud at highway speed because its an economy car with very little sound deadening, not because it has a 4 cyl. Rav 4 is not a quiet car either, quieter than the Prius though.

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Maybe I’m deaf I do have a sub in every vehicle including the Prius.

So I take it the Prius sound test is not needed?
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Originally Posted by BayeauxLex

Maybe I’m deaf I do have a sub in every vehicle including the Prius.

So I take it the Prius sound test is not needed?
Dude, I don't understand your obsession with trying to prove how quiet, how efficient, how your Prius can go 75 mph...I don't get it. What are you trying to prove in an EV sub-forum? Do you think we think you are less of person because you own a Prius?
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You could absolutely have hearing loss. The Prius, like other economy cars, is much louder on the highway than more expensive cars built to a higher standard. Your Rav isn't a quiet car either...it too Is an economy car. You need to compare it to higher end cars and these EVs we are talking about qualify as such. Thats the point we are making, we don't want to drive Priuses even if they are "greener" because they're just not very satisfying cars to drive, these EVs are much more desirable for many reasons, refinement and noise isolation are a couple of those reasons.
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I have to seriously take a break.......this is all head scratching stuff to me. 25 pages of trying to prove something you really don't have to
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