Bob04

LOL. Lots of valid points and info there though.

I personally enjoy the negotiation process.

UltraLux22

Because I'm considerate—nay, I care—I break up my text for easier reading and digestion. You're Welcome!

Neglecting this simple courtesy may induce:

* Reduced comprehension: Leaving you pondering, "What did I just read?"
* Disorientation: A sudden inability to distinguish up from down or fiction from reality.
* Nausea, vertigo, warped reality, tunnel vision: Let's just say your world might get a bit...wobbly.
* Loss of interest: A sudden urge to stare blankly into space, contemplating the meaning of life (or lack thereof).
* Confetti eyes: Okay, maybe not that, but your eyes will definitely thank you for the white space.

UltraLux22

There's a hidden logic at play!

My insanity is my superpower!

UltraLux22

In the minority, we revel in the art of the deal. I mean, yeah, me too.

UltraLux22

Here are just a few articles discussing how new vehicle markups could negatively impact dealers and brands.

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/04...says-research/
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2022/01...justment-fees/

I stumbled upon an old post I shared more than two years ago, featuring a G70 ADM and the sticker image.

https://www.clublexus.com/forums/es-...l#post11234782

patgilm

Pretty simple concept, if you don’t like paying a markup don’t buy the car. I am looking at a Cayenne GTS right now and because of demand I would have to pay MSRP or I could wait a few months and get 3-4% off through a broker so either I wait for demand to slow or just pay MSRP or just get something else. If nobody paid the markups then they wouldn’t mark it up.

chuckNX

Exactly. I think the best course of action is to take emotion out of the equation and avoid the "what's hot" cars until things settle down. Even if there is no markup, I still avoid the first year models as they tend to be more problematic.

AMIRZA786

Definitely, he's very thorough, to say the least.

I absolutely hate it because I hate being lied to. My last lease I spent one month negotiating, when all I wanted was the deal they were advertising on their website. I would make a deal with the sales guy, then the finance guy would arrogantly act as if the deal I made never happened. Also mysteriously the car I wanted just "got sold", and the next closest one had special paint or some $1500 dealer installed options. Ended up wasting so much of my time just to get the advertised deal.

My Tesla on the other hand took 10 minutes to order, I knew exactly to the penny I was paying before I placed my order

Margate330

I never had a problem buying new cars but have over paid on occasion. Lol

Everything has changed from what y'all say and due to short supply they can play games like never before.

For buying used cars I recommend a smaller used car lot that has excellent reviews and specializes in clean low mileage cars.

I find that kind of dealer treats people most fairly, for used anyway.

Forget private sale, they want more than the car lots do. Lol

swajames

You can learn from experience whether or not a service department at a car dealer generally operates in good faith or not, but you can never trust the sales department at any car dealer. So you must always assume the worst, and more often than not your low expectations will be met. The other thing to remember is that if the dealer agrees to the deal, then almost by definition you left some money on the table. No matter how good you might think the deal is. There are almost no exceptions to this rule. It may not be a difference you care about or should care about, but if they agreed to it then there's something you left behind.

UltraLux22

Markups are like Stockholm Syndrome for consumers; they’re the ultimate gaslighting by our wallets! It’s the age-old story of paying extra for things we really don’t need. We spot the markup, protest it, surrender to it, grumble about it, complain to anyone within earshot, rationalize its necessity, curse how enticing it is, delude ourselves that we need it, lament one more time, feel guilt and regret, and finally realize we never needed it but secretly adore it!


Where's the fun in that?

UltraLux22

I see what you did there! Now see what you started!, @Bob04 Now everyone is gonna do it! LOL

AMIRZA786

This is what you should see from the dealership before you even test drive the car:




Nothing more, nothing less

Margate330

Only because when I'm typing on my cell phone, every line looks like a paragraph

​​​​yeah, yeah, excuses, excuses, lol ⛳