SW17LS

The side profile IMO is the best feature of the car. I like the traditional sedan roofline which you never see today, and it reminds me of the E38.

In person it is huge and has great presence.

UltraLux22

Ditto! Let's watch!

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

the i7 is huge because it's a big compromise to make it also the 760 platform.

comparing:

e38:

Wheelbase LWB: 3,070 mm (120.9 in)
Length LWB: 5,124 mm (201.7 in)
Width 1,862 mm (73.3 in)
Height 1,425–1,435 mm (56.1–56.5 in)
Curb weight 1,710–2,085 kg (3,770–4,597 lb)

i7:

Wheelbase 3,215 mm (126.6 in)
Length 5,391 mm (212.2 in)
Width 1,950 mm (76.8 in)
Height 1,544 mm (60.8 in)
Kerb weight 2,595–2,770 kg (5,721–6,107 lb)

so i7 is a foot longer, 3.4" wider, ~4.5" taller, and 1500-2000lbs heavier.

it's massive, yup quite the 'presence'.

but it would have less presence than this:

m1 abrams:

Weight 60-73 tons
Length 32 feet
Width 12 ft
Height 8 ft



now THAT has presence.

SW17LS

Personally, I like big cars so the bigger the better for the most part.

2GRXFTW

I can definitely see why somebody wouldn't want an EV. We simply don't have a lot of choices and what we do have are expensive. Not nearly everybody in the US can afford a brand new car payment. Then...

Unlike with ICE used market, where somebody could just throw 7 grand on a 14 year old Camry and be done with it, that wouldn't necessarily fly with an EV. You'd almost immediately be looking at battery replacement to go with that used purchase, adding a ton of money. Most don't like that idea.

There are a LOT of people who don't want to deal with the whole charging experience and would rather just find a gas station, which are everywhere, and call it a day.

Now, I'm sure things will change over time but it's not going to be over night. At least some of these 46% will change their minds over the ensuing years.

Unless the government flat out bans driving ICE of any kind, used or new, there will always be a market for them.

SW17LS

The whole “battery replacement” thing is total fear mongering. EVs do not need battery replacements like anti-EV people say they do. I know lots of people with old Teslas, none have ever replaced a battery. Zero.

People that buy old cars also have nothing to do with buyer behavior for new cars. The market will hash that out and if that’s a concern with people 14 year old EVs will be stupid cheap.

LeX2K

Buying a used petrol car means you are almost immediately looking at an engine or transmission replacement.

2GRXFTW

Not even close. Unless you're buying a 200k mile BMW or 90's GM product, sure but other than that, not really...

swajames

Give me a choice between two broadly comparable vehicles, one a high mileage used ICE car and the other a high mileage EV, and I'm taking the EV every time. So much less to go wrong, much more likely to still drive well, and I've got close to zero concerns about battery longevity on a modern EV. You can generally pull the SoH via the OBDII port and know exactly what you're getting in any event.

2GRXFTW

I brought up used cars as a way for people to get into EV's. As I said, not everybody can afford a $35k+ brand new car.

2GRXFTW

Anyways, it's funny this was posted in the EV forum. What did OP expect would happen?

It's like going to an Acura forum and asking if the MDX is better than the RX350.

swajames

Used EVs under 25K potentially have up to 4K in federal tax credit now. New ones get up to 7500 and you can usually take it as a point of sale credit now. The 35K new EV becomes a 27.5K EV for buyers who qualify.

AMIRZA786

First I want to start with your last statement, ICE vehicles are going to be around for a long, long time. That market is not going away, and there will be no ICE bans, not in our lifetimes. It is impossible to convert 100 million cars to EV's. Just no possible.

Secondly, it's already proven that EV battery packs can last 300k to 400k miles. A new EV has a 8 to 10 year warranty on battery packs, which takes the worry away from most buyers.

Thirdly, the used EV market is thriving. Due to Tesla price cuts, the cost of a used Tesla is cheap. And people are still buying older Model S, one guy has a thread going on a Model S he bought from an insurance auction. One of my friends picked up a used Model Y Performance to replace his BMW M5...for half the price of a new one.

Lastly, if you could charge at home, why would you conceivably want to go to a gas station?? LoL 🤣🤣. I own three EV's, if you count my daughters it's four, and we all charge at home. It costs us roughly $30 to $40 a month per car to fuel our cars, vs $70 or $80 a week if we had gas cars. The only time I ever charge on the road is when I travel to SoCal, and even that is easier than a gas station, and half the cost. the other 90 percent of the time I plug my car in at home. I have no desire in my life to ever go to a gas station again, unless it's to grab a drink or use the bathroom.

This is just my opinion, but EV's are a hundred times better than ICE. They drive better, are smoother, have more power, are more efficient, and need virtually no maint. My Model Y has costed me $60 in one year, and that was for tire rotations. My Polestar which is going on three years and 34,000 miles has only costed me a set of tires, and my Ioniq 5 has costed me ZERO. Well if you don't count windshield wiper fluid 🤣

EV's are going to sell themselves. Once people get past the anti EV BS and actually drive them, most like me will never go back. I would put money down on that

2GRXFTW

Seems like a lot of caveats for somebody who wants an EV.

I'm sure EV's will become the dominant power train but we're nowhere near that happening. 30-40 years, I could see it happening.

AMIRZA786

No what he did was post an article with a paid agenda. I come from 30 years of ICE, I'm 56 years old. I've driven everything from a Toyota Corolla to a Lambo Huracan, and I can say with 100 percent surety that EV's are better, IMO of course. I could never go back