JeffKeryk

"Wait till the big boys get in..." Wasn't it supposed to be easy?
I give CEO Farley and his team big credit for doing what they believe is right for the company and its shareholders. Progress is never a straight line. Change is difficult. Ford (and GM) bread-and-butter is pickups. At this point in time, I do not see the viability of an electric pickup, especially at $100K or whatever it is. For any company.

I wish Ford success in their endeavors. They have a way to go, as do all the legacy car companies. Developing and making ICE, Hybrid and EV vehicles allows for overlap but does not allow for a singleness of product. That's putting your eggs in a lotta baskets.

At least Ford has the huevos to break out their ICE vs EV financials. Seems others have something to hide?

mmarshall

....and you believe that? Companies doctor all kinds of figures to try and sell their stories to the public. They can be almost a dishonest as the government LOL.

geko29

I do. Do you think it costs nothing to give every employee a 27% raise, a $5,000 bonus, 10% 401k contribution (with no EE contribution requirement), and all the other things in the contract? And then increase starting wages by 70%, such that day 1 employees now make just $2/hr less than the top rate from the prior contract? There's a reason these contract battles are fought. That stuff costs REAL money.

LeX2K

I wouldn't be pointing fingers at GM when this type of thing keeps happening.
https://thehill.com/business/4763776...nt-fain-probe/

Yes it was.
I thought Farley was doing the right thing now I don't, he's back peddling and delaying Ford's EV plans. It's not going to get any easier take the hit now or take a harder hit later.
Ford went for the quick fix, F-150 because it's their bread and butter and use the Mustang name. Neither helped bring down costs.
True and I'm still surprised by this.

Margate330

Do you all think Ford could save money by making a Mustang that can be either ice or ev?

One platform and two drive line options?

LeX2K

Clean sheet or this is the result.

swajames

And yet my Lightning has an absolutely massive frunk, much bigger than the frunk on the Cybertruck, that’s genuinely usable and as an added bonus it won’t chop your finger off when you close it.

swajames

One of these is not at all like the other.

LeX2K

F-150 Lightning and Cybertruck are not enemies.

BayeauxLex

I know a guy who daily’s a Chevy Spark and drives a 5th gen Viper on the weekend.

swajames

Oh I don't disagree, but in comparing one approach against the other with two "what's behind the frunk" pics you were implying that the outcome of the non-clean sheet design was inferior, when in fact the Ford approach has resulted in a much better outcome for the customer because the frunk capacity and usability is significantly better on the Lightning than it is on the Cybertruck.

AMIRZA786

On this point, the cybertruck may be better engineered than the Lightning, better constructed etc., but if you gave me a choice of which one I wanted, it would be the Lightning by a mile based on looks. And now that the Tesla Superchargers are open to Ford, well, I would take the Lightning. That's not to say the Cybertruck is not a great truck, it's been proven to me already that it's an awesome truck, I just can't get past the stainless steel panels, the shape and looks

swajames

Purely a personal view, but I think the Cybertruck is a better EV than the Lighting, and the Lightning a better electric truck than the Cybertruck.

I'm not sure about the Cybertruck being better constructed though. Lightnings aren't falling apart on videos.

AMIRZA786

To be fair to the Cybertruck, nobody is throwing the Lightnings off of truck beds, pipes and large drops 🤣

I guess I said that wrong. The Cybertruck has 48v architecture, rear steering, steer by wire, and can probably withstand more abuse like people kicking it, throwing stuff at it, or shopping carts hitting it. The impact has to be really hard to even scratch those panels

bitkahuna

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that's because the lightning is based off the ice shape/design but no longer has a honking great ice engine up front so of course the frunk should be bigger than CT. CT has the super short front overhang. like amirza though i think the ct is fugly (but mechanically / electrically awesome).