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I don't know...the Lucid Air just annihilated the Taycan Turbo S by a huge margin. It also has 2.5 times the range and probably be cheaper. Sounds like a Trifecta win to me.
I understand that Lexus2000 is a Tesla fan, however in this instance, I believe that Lexus2000 is right.
Three things. One, why is it bad to be a fan of a company? A few here (especially one person) loves to paint that as some crime against humanity. Second, I am a fan of the technology, which Tesla happens to have. I wish other companies were on the same level especially Lexus.
Third, I am going to directly refer to the above the next time I get personally attacked and called out for being a Tesla fanboy.
I don't know...the Lucid Air just annihilated the Taycan Turbo S by a huge margin. It also has 2.5 times the range and probably be cheaper. Sounds like a Trifecta win to me.
Sounds too good to be true to me. I think Lucid is BOoOOOoO-gus.
Three things. One, why is it bad to be a fan of a company? A few here (especially one person) loves to paint that as some crime against humanity. Second, I am a fan of the technology, which Tesla happens to have. I wish other companies were on the same level especially Lexus.
Third, I am going to directly refer to the above the next time I get personally attacked and called out for being a Tesla fanboy.
Nothing wrong with being a fan.
Aren't we all Lexus fans here? Otherwise we'd all be on the Benz or Bimmer forums...
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I don't know...the Lucid Air just annihilated the Taycan Turbo S by a huge margin. It also has 2.5 times the range and probably be cheaper. Sounds like a Trifecta win to me.
Let's wait and see if Lucid makes it, or it ends up being like ex-Apple Andy Rubin's Essential Phone...
Other than that very fugly front end, I think the Lucid Air has great potential and can't wait to see the production version! The interior is so futuristic! The range, acceleration and everything else about it seems to check all the right boxes. The only potential downside I see is the lack of a supercharging network to allow long distance travel. Yes, I know that ElectrifyAmerica will address that, but its not anywhere as comparable to the Elephant in the room - Tesla.
Nothing wrong with being a fan. Aren't we all Lexus fans here? Otherwise we'd all be on the Benz or Bimmer forums...
No, we are not all Lexus fans here. I am, but find many CL members are highly critical of Lexus, while continually pledging allegiance to, and professing the glories of other premium brands, especially MB, BMW, Genesis, and Tesla. Club rules don't disallow or discourage this in any way, nor should they, but, I still find it interesting that Lexus haters want to participate on this site. One can only imagine why.
I'm all for innovation and appreciate the technology Tesla and Lucid Air bring to the table. I hope Lexus is able to learn from these companies, and even improve upon their efforts. I'm anxiously awaiting a commercially viable Toyota/Lexus EV to add to my fleet!
No, we are not all Lexus fans here. I am, but find many CL members are highly critical of Lexus, while continually pledging allegiance to, and professing the glories of other premium brands, especially MB, BMW, Genesis, and Tesla. Club rules don't disallow or discourage this in any way, nor should they, but, I still find it interesting that Lexus haters want to participate on this site. One can only imagine why.
This is all true. Difference is, if you extol the virtues of Tesla some here get triggered way behind what is reasonable. Out come the talking points and accusations. I don't find it surprising though, people fear change, fear what they don't understand.
I had a person the other day tell me how awful electric cars are for the environment because of the various materials needed. I asked, what materials are used and why are these specific materials bad for planet earth? They didn't know. I asked why a petrol car is easier to produce and recycle vs. a BEV. They didn't know that either. In fact they didn't know at all why the BEV is in their view pure poison.
On Lucid, my spidey sense goes off like crazy when I see the technology and performance claims, they sound too good to be true. If they succeed at even 80% of promised I will be extremely impressed, if they meet their goals and claims I'll declare them the best auto maker on the planet.
Lucid Air production electric luxury sedan is a dream revealed
Up to 517 miles, 1,080 horsepower and all the space you could ask for
The slow drip of Lucid Air sedan teasers culminated Wednesday with the world debut of the production version of the startup's electric car with a range of up to 517 miles. Starting below $80,000 and available in four initial variants, the first examples of the Lucid Air will arrive in customer driveways starting in spring 2021.
Lucid CEO Peter Rawlinson has a rather impressive résumé, seeing as how he had stints at both Lotus and Jaguar as an engineer before being poached by Tesla's Elon Musk to work on what would become the Model S. Yeah, you could say Rawlinson knows a thing or two about packaging electric sedans, which is where the Air sedan's true strength lies.
Lucid's engineers have found new ways to further minimize the intrusion of key components like drive units, chassis elements and crash structure in such a way as to open up the Air's interior while retaining all of the advantages of its modular systems. Lucid calls it "Space Concept."
In addition to a spacious, futuristic cabin, Lucid says the Air offers a total of 26.1 cubic feet of cargo space. It lays claim to the largest EV frunk in the segment, at 9.9 cubic feet, which is more than double the Ford Mustang Mach-E’s 4.8 cubes. After doing some back-of-the-napkin math, we must conclude that the Air's trunk boasts 16.2 cubic feet of cargo room. That's cavernous — on par with a Dodge Challenger’s.
Speaking of the Lucid Air's 1,080-horsepower powertrain, this dual-motor (one front, one rear) unit will propel the 500-mile electric car to 60 MPH in under 2.5 seconds as it makes its way through the quarter-mile in just 9.9 seconds. Lucid reckons that quarter-mile time is good enough to make its all-electric Air sedan the quickest four-door EV on the planet.
It's also the quickest to charge. Lucid says its "Wunderbox" charging unit and native 900-volt charging support can replenish 300 miles of range in just 20 minutes; that's nearly twice as fast as what a Model S is capable of. Tesla's advantage will come from the size of its existing Supercharger network, but Lucid's partnership with Electrify America should guarantee at least some infrastructure for early adopters.
Each of Lucid's drive units is capable of producing up to 670 horsepower, but total performance of the flagship Dream model at launch will top out at 1,080 hp. During a media preview of the sedan, Rawlinson showed off an upgraded rear subframe module with two integrated drive units, ostensibly capable of advanced torque vectoring. Combined with a third unit up front, well, let's just say there's a lot more performance to be unlocked in future Lucid Air variants.
But power isn't everything, and Lucid is hoping to attract buyers with a combination of future-proof technology, clean power, luxurious customization and, of course, a degree of exclusivity. After all, Lucid may want to help save the world, but the privilege will first go to those who can afford the Dream Edition's healthy, six-figure price tag.
Take the battery capacity, for example. Like the rest of the Lucid Air's fundamental engineering, much of the powertrain is modular. The long-range, 113-kWh battery pack is made up of multiple units sitting under the rear bench; on shorter-range models, this number can be reduced and the pack space replaced with a new floor panel that allows more foot room.
"The Lucid brand was created with a progressive, post-luxury mindset, ideally suited to meet the rapidly evolving needs of the most progressive buyers. We are heading into a future where conscious consumers see sustainability, advanced design, and technical innovation as equally important to more traditional luxury values of quality and craftsmanship," said Lucid design chief Derek Jenkins. "We consider Lucid to be at the forefront in a shift in consumer preferences toward new brands that offer direct relationships alongside products featuring entirely new levels of technology, performance and design."
The Lucid Air will be available initially in North America and offered in four trims:
The Air: Available in 2022 from below $80,000.
The Air Touring: Available late 2021 from $95,000.
The Air Grand Touring: Available mid 2021 from $139,000.
The Air Dream Edition: Available spring 2021 at $169,000.
Note that none of the pricing above reflects available incentives.
Lucid says that even the base-model Air will come standard with such features as adaptive cruise control, lane centering, automatic emergency brakes and automated parking. It will also be one of the first production vehicles to be equipped with standard LIDAR — a laser-based sensor that detects obstacles and objects, including pedestrians — as part of the vehicle's collision avoidance system.
We don't yet have specs for the base Air sedan, but we expect it will compete with the meat of Tesla's Model S lineup. The Touring model will pack 620 horsepower and up to 406 miles of range; the Grand Touring will up that to 800 horsepower and the full 517 miles; the Dream Edition gets all 1,080 ponies and either 465 or 503 miles of total range, depending on your wheel and tire choices. All range figures are preliminary and not verified by the EPA.
As for delivery and availability, Lucid has been taking orders for the Air sedan since last December, but if you're in the market for one of the cheaper variants, you'll have to wait longer. The first examples to be delivered will be the flagship Dream Edition, followed by Grand Touring shortly thereafter, Touring in Q4 of 2021, and the base model some time in 2022. Keep in mind that this timeline applies to North American deliveries, as Lucid has not yet finalized plans for overseas distribution.
I think that all glass roof is enough to drive me away. The sunvisors dangling in the glass is crazy.
The glass roof has a UV coating that blocks out pretty much all UV light. I've sat in the Tesla for hours in 100 degree sun and it was fine with the AC...no sun burn or anything like that. I think it makes more wind-noise with an all glass roof though.
The glass roof has a UV coating that blocks out pretty much all UV light. I've sat in the Tesla for hours in 100 degree sun and it was fine with the AC...no sun burn or anything like that. I think it makes more wind-noise with an all glass roof though.
Do you know if Tesla's glass screens UVA and UVB? UVB will give you a sunburn, but UVA is more dangerous for skin cancer. My wife and I used to argue about this on road trips in sunny weather. I always argued that I don't need sunscreen, because I never get sunburned while driving with the windows closed (AC on). Then she asked her Dermatologist who shot down my theory. He said most automotive glass only screens UVB, not UVA. Bottom line...if you want to avoid skin cancer and wrinkles, block both!
Do you know if Tesla's glass screens UVA and UVB? UVB will give you a sunburn, but UVA is more dangerous for skin cancer. My wife and I used to argue about this on road trips in sunny weather. I always argued that I don't need sunscreen, because I never get sunburned while driving with the windows closed (AC on). Then she asked her Dermatologist who shot down my theory. He said most automotive glass only screens UVB, not UVA. Bottom line...if you want to avoid skin cancer and wrinkles, block both!