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I was specifically talking about level 3 fast charging, and if you go further down the thread I mention that you have to go to a level 3 charging station. For me this will not be an issue because I drive less than 20 miles a day, so home charging will work fine, plus if needed, there are fast chargers within 5 minutes from my home and office. On those occasions when I travel far, like going to SoCal, I don't mind making a 30 minute stop to charge, I do that anyway with my gasoline cars.
Exactly, when you can easily charge overnight theres no reason to have a level 3 charger at your home.
why do you think they will stay that way? They can't scale to mass production? It's a lousy car?
despite excitement, sales of any vehicle starting at $77K aren't huge. Besides that, i expect lucid to magically only have mostly $100K cars 'available' for some time. Even smaller market.
And most obviously, sales of large luxury sedans aren't huge to begin with. I think lucid made a huge mistake by not making their first vehicle an suv.
And they're completely unknown in terms of track record. One sizeable glitch in reliability or anything could hurt them a lot.
and besides all that, other brands aren't going to not have competition. Mercedes (your fave ), bmw at some point, lexus at some point, audi at some point, even cadillac, etc.
Finally, as i think you know, i'm just not that impressed by the lucid. Sure it's very fast and comfy with claimed great range, but i don't care for the interior or exterior. Looks like a lincoln and about as boring.
despite excitement, sales of any vehicle starting at $77K aren't huge. Besides that, i expect lucid to magically only have mostly $100K cars 'available' for some time. Even smaller market.
And most obviously, sales of large luxury sedans aren't huge to begin with. I think lucid made a huge mistake by not making their first vehicle an suv.
And they're completely unknown in terms of track record. One sizeable glitch in reliability or anything could hurt them a lot.
and besides all that, other brands aren't going to not have competition. Mercedes (your fave ), bmw at some point, lexus at some point, audi at some point, even cadillac, etc.
Finally, as i think you know, i'm just not that impressed by the lucid. Sure it's very fast and comfy with claimed great range, but i don't care for the interior or exterior. Looks like a lincoln and about as boring.
I think a lot of brands start off with a sports sedan or sporty coupe to hook the enthusiasts and people that will champion the brand. Tesla did that strategy with the Roadster and then the very nice looking Model S. They got traction, found incredible brand champions, then went to an SUV product in the Model X. They followed this same strategy with the lower end Model 3 then Y. I think the CEO, Peter Rawlinson, is following the same strategy as he was a Tesla exec before he started Lucid. I don't know if this strategy will work out for them but given his lineage, not surprised at Lucid's first product (which is very good).
The only issue with this is, I think Lucid's technology better serves the lower end of the market. Their secret sauce is how small their super efficient electric motors are and this would serve very well in something the size of a Model 3 or smaller. They could probably make the most efficient, highest horsepower, with the best packaging if they targeted that market but they went to the executive class first. We'll see if this strategy pays off. I agree that their exec sedan looks boring but still think it looks better than the EQS
I promise @bitkahuna not to go off topic again, but I couldn't resist, as this made me specifically think of you, although others on this thread also share your view. Here is the Chevron station on my way to work:
And just a few miles away, the Costco gas station:
The Chevron station has another row of pumps at the side you can't see, there are only two cars pumping. The Costco station has a line going back all the way to the entrance, probably half a block down. People want a bargain! A lot of people, apparently
I think a lot of brands start off with a sports sedan or sporty coupe to hook the enthusiasts and people that will champion the brand. Tesla did that strategy with the Roadster and then the very nice looking Model S. They got traction, found incredible brand champions, then went to an SUV product in the Model X. They followed this same strategy with the lower end Model 3 then Y. I think the CEO, Peter Rawlinson, is following the same strategy as he was a Tesla exec before he started Lucid. I don't know if this strategy will work out for them but given his lineage, not surprised at Lucid's first product (which is very good).
The only issue with this is, I think Lucid's technology better serves the lower end of the market. Their secret sauce is how small their super efficient electric motors are and this would serve very well in something the size of a Model 3 or smaller. They could probably make the most efficient, highest horsepower, with the best packaging if they targeted that market but they went to the executive class first. We'll see if this strategy pays off. I agree that their exec sedan looks boring but still think it looks better than the EQS
I personally like the way the Lucid Air looks, and especially love the interior. I've sat several times in my friends Model 3, and comfortable it is not. I would describe it more as utilitarian, I wouldn't be surprised if Elon got his design idea from IKEA
I think Lucid is on to something. They certainly aren't doing anything that isn't entirely rational.
The biggest factors in play in the EV space are range, charging time, performance, build quality and, at the higher end, premium/luxury.
Lucid now has the best range and fastest charging. Extremely important to buyers. Performance is more than good enough to not be an issue. Not Plaid fast, but faster than pretty much anything else. Early reports on quality seem good, and the car is much more luxurious and premium than the equivalent Tesla. The vehicle is getting good initial reviews, and is getting those reviews in a market where extremely competent alternatives already exist. The car IS getting judged against where others are, and it is perceived as more than competitive in general and bringing something new and better in areas that count.
You have to give Lucid credit. They are focusing on what actual EV buyers want.
I think Lucid is on to something. They certainly aren't doing anything that isn't entirely rational.
The biggest factors in play in the EV space are range, charging time, performance, build quality and, at the higher end, premium/luxury.
Lucid now has the best range and fastest charging. Extremely important to buyers. Performance is more than good enough to not be an issue. Not Plaid fast, but faster than pretty much anything else. Early reports on quality seem good, and the car is much more luxurious and premium than the equivalent Tesla. The vehicle is getting good initial reviews, and is getting those reviews in a market where extremely competent alternatives already exist. The car IS getting judged against where others are, and it is perceived as more than competitive in general and bringing something new and better in areas that count.
You have to give Lucid credit. They are focusing on what actual EV buyers want.
I think Lucid is going to first appeal big time to Bay Area type Tesla owners (specifically Model S and X buyers) who are 100 percent sold on EV, but are looking for more comfort, and of course range and faster charging is a plus. The $77K price is totally appealing and fits easily in the budget of professionals here, and I predict we are going to see them more and more around here next year. That will eventually spread to other parts of California, and as the brand grows, they will start building lower priced luxury models, including SUV. I'm willing to go out on a limb and predict we will have a very healthy competition with Tesla in the next 5 years
I think Lucid is going to first appeal big time to Bay Area type Tesla owners (specifically Model S and X buyers) who are 100 percent sold on EV, but are looking for more comfort, and of course range and faster charging is a plus. The $77K price is totally appealing and fits easily in the budget of professionals here, and I predict we are going to see them more and more around here next year. That will eventually spread to other parts of California, and as the brand grows, they will start building lower priced luxury models, including SUV. I'm willing to go out on a limb and predict we will have a very healthy competition with Tesla in the next 5 years
Yep - we're not exactly short of people driving expensive cars here in the Bay Area, are we? You have exactly the right buyer profile IMO.
Finally, as i think you know, i'm just not that impressed by the lucid. Sure it's very fast and comfy with claimed great range, but i don't care for the interior or exterior. Looks like a lincoln and about as boring.
TO be fair though, your opinion on that and the same things about the EQS seem to be contrary to the opinions the motoring press and the majority of people seem to have...
TO be fair though, your opinion on that and the same things about the EQS seem to be contrary to the opinions the motoring press and the majority of people seem to have...
I think Bit needs to put the grumpy cat back as his avatar
I think Bit needs to put the grumpy cat back as his avatar
I think he's just giving us a hard time . BTW, I know you opened a thread on PoleStar, I will doing a test drive on a PoleStar 2 next week, I'll be opening a new thread on reviewing it if you don't mind
I think he's just giving us a hard time . BTW, I know you opened a thread on PoleStar, I will doing a test drive on a PoleStar 2 next week, I'll be opening a new thread on reviewing it if you don't mind
Not at all, I look forward to your impressions about it
12-03-21, 08:04 AM
), bmw at some point, lexus at some point, audi at some point, even cadillac, etc.
. BTW, I know you opened a thread on PoleStar, I will doing a test drive on a PoleStar 2 next week, I'll be opening a new thread on reviewing it if you don't mind