Lucid Air
#526
Lexus Fanatic
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if the eqs is a civic, then the lucid air is a taurus.
i dislike pretty much every design decision.
it's a unique combination of boring and tacky chrome.
i dislike pretty much every design decision.
it's a unique combination of boring and tacky chrome.
#527
Lexus Fanatic
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so only the $170K or whatever dream version until then?
so you trash the eqs about poor materials in places most people won't notice, yet you say it's "more traditionally luxurious" - i don't know what that means.
can't imagine you wanting a car without air after having it.
no air suspension on the Lucid which may be a differentiator.
#528
Lexus Fanatic
Ford would pee their pants with joy 20 times a day if Lucid was a car they made.
#529
Lexus Fanatic
Well, that was Ford's own decision. They sold off three of their own upmarket brands (Jaguar, Volvo, and Land-Rover)....Lincoln is the only one they have left, and that division doesn't even have its own dealerships....they mostly sell out of Ford shops.
#530
Lexus Fanatic
Rather have a Taurus than a Civic lol
Exactly how I feel about the EQS. Everywhere it just looks wrong to me. We just disagree.
EQS has just as much chrome on it as a Lucid Air...the Lucid is a more modern molten chrome while the EQS is traditional shiny chrome.
Whats being produced and delivered now are Dream editions, GT and Touring go into production mid next year and start being delivered Q3. Those are $139k and $95k.
What is it about the EQS that makes you so defensive about it?
I did not TRASH the EQS lol. I pointed out, correctly, that there are low quality hard plastics in the interior in places that really surprised me and that overall the material choices are more similar to the E Class than the S Class. Just because others may not be as detail oriented as I am about those things and not notice, or not care doesn't mean that they aren't real or that they don't matter. All of us buy really expensive cars for different reasons, and a super high quality interior is one of my big ones. The EQS is not a peer to an S Class inside, the Air is moreso it just has a very different feel. The Air reminds me of a mixture between an Audi A8 and a Porsche Panamara in terms of interior design and material choices.
Theres a distinct difference between what is "traditionally luxurious" and what is a more modern take on luxury. Your LC500 for example is much more modern, as is an LS500. S Classes are very traditional. Lincolns are very traditional. Lots of shiny chrome bits, shiny wood and acres of wood, lots of embellished stitching that draws attention to itself, flat, rounded traditional interior panels. The Lucid is more like an Audi, Porsche or Volvo in how its luxurious. Much less trim, harder lines, much less embellishment Its hard to describe but its clearly different.
I would have a hard time imagining that too. I did like the way your G90 rode without an air suspension.
i dislike pretty much every design decision.
EQS has just as much chrome on it as a Lucid Air...the Lucid is a more modern molten chrome while the EQS is traditional shiny chrome.
Whats being produced and delivered now are Dream editions, GT and Touring go into production mid next year and start being delivered Q3. Those are $139k and $95k.
so you trash the eqs about poor materials in places most people won't notice, yet you say it's "more traditionally luxurious" - i don't know what that means.
I did not TRASH the EQS lol. I pointed out, correctly, that there are low quality hard plastics in the interior in places that really surprised me and that overall the material choices are more similar to the E Class than the S Class. Just because others may not be as detail oriented as I am about those things and not notice, or not care doesn't mean that they aren't real or that they don't matter. All of us buy really expensive cars for different reasons, and a super high quality interior is one of my big ones. The EQS is not a peer to an S Class inside, the Air is moreso it just has a very different feel. The Air reminds me of a mixture between an Audi A8 and a Porsche Panamara in terms of interior design and material choices.
Theres a distinct difference between what is "traditionally luxurious" and what is a more modern take on luxury. Your LC500 for example is much more modern, as is an LS500. S Classes are very traditional. Lincolns are very traditional. Lots of shiny chrome bits, shiny wood and acres of wood, lots of embellished stitching that draws attention to itself, flat, rounded traditional interior panels. The Lucid is more like an Audi, Porsche or Volvo in how its luxurious. Much less trim, harder lines, much less embellishment Its hard to describe but its clearly different.
can't imagine you wanting a car without air after having it.
Last edited by SW17LS; 12-30-21 at 06:17 AM.
#531
Lexus Champion
I think if the Taurus looked anything like the Lucid, it would still be around today. I agree with Steve, it looks very Euro influenced in its design, although I will admit, I am in no way as detailed oriented as him. All I really remember when I saw one up close and sat in it is it had excellent build quality and was very comfortable!
#532
Lexus Champion
It's not really the performance that I really care about, once your 0 to 60's exceed 4 seconds, what's the difference if it does it in 3 or 2 seconds. My most important wants...1) Range 2) Charging times 3) Comfort and 4) Size. Although I currently drive an IS350, I like bigger sized cars that have comfortable seating, both front and back.
Next time your in my neck of the woods, lunch is on me!
Next time your in my neck of the woods, lunch is on me!
functionally though you're right. Sub 4 is stupid fast and way more than most people ever drive, however I'm getting bored of mid 3s already. Power corrupts, don't start down that path unless you are ready to end up with something with 10+ cylinders and twins shoving 15+ in.
#533
Lexus Champion
The weight and difficulty of breathing, the sheer shock factor of a sub 2 second 0-60 launch is unreal. If the car can also carry that to a sub 9 1/4 or perform a sub 5 second 60-130 it's awesome. A sub 4 second 60-130 is one hell of an experience, it's very hard to convey just how much and how quickly everything blurs out.
functionally though you're right. Sub 4 is stupid fast and way more than most people ever drive, however I'm getting bored of mid 3s already. Power corrupts, don't start down that path unless you are ready to end up with something with 10+ cylinders and twins shoving 15+ in.
functionally though you're right. Sub 4 is stupid fast and way more than most people ever drive, however I'm getting bored of mid 3s already. Power corrupts, don't start down that path unless you are ready to end up with something with 10+ cylinders and twins shoving 15+ in.
Yep, power does corrupt, but thankfully at my age (54) I've past that stage. A guy I know started with a 10th gen Si, and has blown an engine, one transmission, and a head trying to get to 600 whp (he's around 575 right now). I asked him why he doesn't stop, and he told me he's compelled to keep going now that he's reached this far
#534
Interesting talk on 0-60 times which leads me to ask a question. A couple of weeks ago I was next to a Tesla3 at a light and when it turned green he took off like a bullet. Going 0-60 in 2 or 3 seconds (or 4) can a person judge if a pedestrian is crossing the street up ahead, be able to stop without hitting them? I ask as this was a 4 lane urban road which has shops/stores on either side of which people do cross to shop. I'm not discussing whether their crossing is legal/illegal, within a crosswalk, etc., but whether these vehicles and/or drivers would be able to stop in time or at least avoid hitting someone. As these vehicles become more common I can see where this could become an issue.
#535
Lexus Champion
Interesting talk on 0-60 times which leads me to ask a question. A couple of weeks ago I was next to a Tesla3 at a light and when it turned green he took off like a bullet. Going 0-60 in 2 or 3 seconds (or 4) can a person judge if a pedestrian is crossing the street up ahead, be able to stop without hitting them? I ask as this was a 4 lane urban road which has shops/stores on either side of which people do cross to shop. I'm not discussing whether their crossing is legal/illegal, within a crosswalk, etc., but whether these vehicles and/or drivers would be able to stop in time or at least avoid hitting someone. As these vehicles become more common I can see where this could become an issue.
#536
Lexus Test Driver
Interesting talk on 0-60 times which leads me to ask a question. A couple of weeks ago I was next to a Tesla3 at a light and when it turned green he took off like a bullet. Going 0-60 in 2 or 3 seconds (or 4) can a person judge if a pedestrian is crossing the street up ahead, be able to stop without hitting them? I ask as this was a 4 lane urban road which has shops/stores on either side of which people do cross to shop. I'm not discussing whether their crossing is legal/illegal, within a crosswalk, etc., but whether these vehicles and/or drivers would be able to stop in time or at least avoid hitting someone. As these vehicles become more common I can see where this could become an issue.
#537
Lexus Fanatic
Interesting talk on 0-60 times which leads me to ask a question. A couple of weeks ago I was next to a Tesla3 at a light and when it turned green he took off like a bullet. Going 0-60 in 2 or 3 seconds (or 4) can a person judge if a pedestrian is crossing the street up ahead, be able to stop without hitting them? I ask as this was a 4 lane urban road which has shops/stores on either side of which people do cross to shop. I'm not discussing whether their crossing is legal/illegal, within a crosswalk, etc., but whether these vehicles and/or drivers would be able to stop in time or at least avoid hitting someone. As these vehicles become more common I can see where this could become an issue.
I mentioned that somewhat in my own Tesla3 full-review. I stated then (and still do) that, even with electronic driving-aids, these are not cars for careless, inattentive, or immature drivers. I grew up with classic American muscle-cars over a half-century ago, and the 3, even with extra-drag AWD, will smoke all of them except (maybe)? the small 427 AC-Cobra. With a strong battery charge, and a heavy foot, they take off so quickly from a stop or a slow-roll that if you aren't 100% concentrated on what is (or could be) in front of you, such as other traffic, deer/animals, kids, or other obstacles, you could get into serious trouble in the space of just a couple of seconds.
Last edited by mmarshall; 12-30-21 at 03:20 PM.
#538
Pole Position
Interesting talk on 0-60 times which leads me to ask a question. A couple of weeks ago I was next to a Tesla3 at a light and when it turned green he took off like a bullet. Going 0-60 in 2 or 3 seconds (or 4) can a person judge if a pedestrian is crossing the street up ahead, be able to stop without hitting them? I ask as this was a 4 lane urban road which has shops/stores on either side of which people do cross to shop. I'm not discussing whether their crossing is legal/illegal, within a crosswalk, etc., but whether these vehicles and/or drivers would be able to stop in time or at least avoid hitting someone. As these vehicles become more common I can see where this could become an issue.
#539
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by mmarshall
I mentioned that somewhat in my own Tesla3 full-review. I stated then (and still do) that, even with electronic driving-aids, these are not cars for careless, inattentive, or immature drivers. I grew up with classic American muscle-cars over a half-century ago, and the 3, even with extra-drag AWD, will smoke all of them except (maybe)? the 427 AC-Cobra. With a strong battery charge, and a heavy foot, they take off so quickly from a stop or s slow-roll that if you aren't 100% concentrated on what is (or could be) in front of you, such as other traffic, deer/animals, kids, or other obstacles, you could get into serious trouble in the space of just a couple of seconds.
#540
Lexus Champion
I've always been fine with 5 second 0 to 60, which is what my IS350 currently does. I drove as a passenger in my brother in laws Model S and 3.3 seconds made me dizzy and my stomach hurt! When I was in Dubai in 2017 for a friends wedding, I drove several exotics (which are as common as Camry's there) including a Huracan and almost crashed it! That much power just scares the crap out of me. I'm more about stability and smooth power, even if it in the sub or above 5 second range.
Yep, power does corrupt, but thankfully at my age (54) I've past that stage. A guy I know started with a 10th gen Si, and has blown an engine, one transmission, and a head trying to get to 600 whp (he's around 575 right now). I asked him why he doesn't stop, and he told me he's compelled to keep going now that he's reached this far
Yep, power does corrupt, but thankfully at my age (54) I've past that stage. A guy I know started with a 10th gen Si, and has blown an engine, one transmission, and a head trying to get to 600 whp (he's around 575 right now). I asked him why he doesn't stop, and he told me he's compelled to keep going now that he's reached this far
How did you get your IS to 5 seconds? That's a good bit faster than stock