Lucid Air
#557
Lexus Fanatic
Yeah I know exactly what you mean.
#558
Lexus Fanatic
Looking for those pics I also found this which illustrates what I was talking about in regards to space. They have been able to fit flagship like interior room into a vehicle that is a foot shorter than a flagship sedan:
#559
Lexus Fanatic
Good illustration. I haven't sat in BMW or Lucid. To me, the Mercedes styling looks better than both. The legacy brands have crossovers that fit the need in case someone wants more space and headroom. That is how I see it.
#560
Lexus Fanatic
Except that if you like sedans like I do, a crossover isn't a replacement for a sedan really. I'm happy to see these startup EV companies selling sedans and doing very well with them.
#561
Lexus Fanatic
These start ups have no chance selling in the crossover space as the segment is so hot and so competitive. Automakers put a ton of research into all of this.
#562
EV ftw!!!
Same here - I couldn't care less about any crossover - give me a hatchback sedan like a Model S, and I have all my space/practicality needs met. Now if only a Panamera was an EV, I'd be all over it! Space, practicality, EV smoothness, beautiful car, high quality ..... I'd be in heaven.
#563
Lexus Fanatic
These start ups have no chance selling in the crossover space as the segment is so hot and so competitive. Automakers put a ton of research into all of this.
#564
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by SW17LS
No doubt.The Tesla Model Y and X before it would disagree. They will do just as well in the crossover space. Bear in mind their design teams are made up of people poached from legacy carmakers, its not like everybody is out there trying to reinvent the wheel.
#565
Lexus Fanatic
But Tesla is not a start up. Their crossovers are not Teslas strength, it is model 3 that Tesla does so well with. Lucid would get killed trying to make money by offering a crossover as their first model. Toyota on the other hand will do very well with their bXr
#566
Lexus Fanatic
#567
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
absolutely hideous and impractical design. tesla wins with huge hatchback design on model s.
yeah, no front engine helps.
taking those lengths minus interior compartments you have:
123, 111, 125.
yet, traditional lux sedan flagship fans such as yourself talk about 'presence' and 'traditional' styling, you're often thinking of a long hood and just a long vehicle. so i think (so far) the new EV large sedans don't have as much visual impact. you've said the EQS is more like what an EQE should be, but i think that's because of the same reasons you're pointing out here on the lucid.
we don't know if lucid is doing very well... unclear how many they've shipped, but guessing it just a few hundred. tesla seems to be shipping VERY few model s for now at least.
taking those lengths minus interior compartments you have:
123, 111, 125.
yet, traditional lux sedan flagship fans such as yourself talk about 'presence' and 'traditional' styling, you're often thinking of a long hood and just a long vehicle. so i think (so far) the new EV large sedans don't have as much visual impact. you've said the EQS is more like what an EQE should be, but i think that's because of the same reasons you're pointing out here on the lucid.
#568
Lexus Fanatic
I agree on the trunk design for sure. With that said I don’t like hatchbacks. I carry a bunch of stuff in my trunk and I don’t want it rolling around in the passenger compartment.
As for the styling, it’s different and the proportions are different. I’m not against different, I just think the EQS is ugly and I think this is attractive. I don’t necessarily need an EV sedan to be the same form factor as a flagship sedan, but I do need to really like how it looks.
My frustration with the EQS has diminished once I spent some time with it and kind of had the realization that it really wasn’t going to be the replacement for the S Class. I have no doubt we will see a new generation of the S Class that incorporates its traditional look and feel with modern EV design improvements. My comments about the EQS being more similar to an E Class are only based on interior materials and options/standard equipment, nothing to do with size or design.
To be clear about startups doing well, I mean Tesla. Remains to be seen about Lucid, but given the enthusiasm I saw in that store, I am optimistic.
As for the styling, it’s different and the proportions are different. I’m not against different, I just think the EQS is ugly and I think this is attractive. I don’t necessarily need an EV sedan to be the same form factor as a flagship sedan, but I do need to really like how it looks.
My frustration with the EQS has diminished once I spent some time with it and kind of had the realization that it really wasn’t going to be the replacement for the S Class. I have no doubt we will see a new generation of the S Class that incorporates its traditional look and feel with modern EV design improvements. My comments about the EQS being more similar to an E Class are only based on interior materials and options/standard equipment, nothing to do with size or design.
To be clear about startups doing well, I mean Tesla. Remains to be seen about Lucid, but given the enthusiasm I saw in that store, I am optimistic.
#569
EV ftw!!!
I agree on the trunk design for sure. With that said I don’t like hatchbacks. I carry a bunch of stuff in my trunk and I don’t want it rolling around in the passenger compartment.
As for the styling, it’s different and the proportions are different. I’m not against different, I just think the EQS is ugly and I think this is attractive. I don’t necessarily need an EV sedan to be the same form factor as a flagship sedan, but I do need to really like how it looks.
My frustration with the EQS has diminished once I spent some time with it and kind of had the realization that it really wasn’t going to be the replacement for the S Class. I have no doubt we will see a new generation of the S Class that incorporates its traditional look and feel with modern EV design improvements. My comments about the EQS being more similar to an E Class are only based on interior materials and options/standard equipment, nothing to do with size or design.
To be clear about startups doing well, I mean Tesla. Remains to be seen about Lucid, but given the enthusiasm I saw in that store, I am optimistic.
As for the styling, it’s different and the proportions are different. I’m not against different, I just think the EQS is ugly and I think this is attractive. I don’t necessarily need an EV sedan to be the same form factor as a flagship sedan, but I do need to really like how it looks.
My frustration with the EQS has diminished once I spent some time with it and kind of had the realization that it really wasn’t going to be the replacement for the S Class. I have no doubt we will see a new generation of the S Class that incorporates its traditional look and feel with modern EV design improvements. My comments about the EQS being more similar to an E Class are only based on interior materials and options/standard equipment, nothing to do with size or design.
To be clear about startups doing well, I mean Tesla. Remains to be seen about Lucid, but given the enthusiasm I saw in that store, I am optimistic.
I carry a spare charger cable and a bunch of charging plugs, two tripods, a bunch of other camera gear (various mounts etc).
#570
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
My frustration with the EQS has diminished once I spent some time with it and kind of had the realization that it really wasn’t going to be the replacement for the S Class.
I have no doubt we will see a new generation of the S Class that incorporates its traditional look and feel with modern EV design improvements.
To be clear about startups doing well, I mean Tesla. Remains to be seen about Lucid, but given the enthusiasm I saw in that store, I am optimistic.