Lucid Air
01-02-22, 01:14 PM
#571
Lexus Fanatic
doesn't have to roll around - both my SUV and coupe have cargo 'nets' plus the suv has several compartments under the floor which are great. besides that, a regular trunk is no guarantee that things won't roll around, they still have to be anchored or constrained in many cases unless there's compartments.
an s-class to date has been an s-class because it's big with a long hood, but other than that they've changed GREATLY through each generation. when it finally goes EV, unless there's a need for it to be as big/long as today, i don't think it will be, so it won't be 'traditional'. i also think mercedes will use less and less leather and maybe option it with none because other than you, most people either don't care about leather in invisible places 
and more and more would prefer no leather.
and more and more would prefer no leather.
could be more curiosity than enthusiasm. i don't see many plonking down 170 large for that thing.
Why don't you go look at some of these cars and post your thoughts instead of spending so much energy telling me why mine are wrong when you haven't even seen either car in person?
Last edited by SW17LS; 01-02-22 at 01:24 PM.
01-02-22, 01:25 PM
#572
Lexus Fanatic
However, to be honest, the trunk-lids on most of what are today called "sedans" are a joke. The obsession with aerodynamics and trying to style today's sedans like 4-door coupes, with sharply-raked rooflines and short rear overhangs, has led to very small trunk-lids and narrow openings that make it difficult to load bulky items, even if the rest of the trunk inside could hold them. That is one reason, among many, why so many people are buying crossovers.
Last edited by mmarshall; 01-02-22 at 01:31 PM.
01-02-22, 01:27 PM
#573
Lexus Fanatic
Yep, not dead. Wounded...I mean, I get it...there are fewer and fewer buyers like me and carmakers are designing cars differently and that makes sense...that doesn't make my preferences wrong though. Even if one day I do go to a crossover, that doesn't mean there aren't aspects of its design that I won't care for, and the open cargo area vs a trunk is one of them
Last edited by SW17LS; 01-02-22 at 01:45 PM.
01-02-22, 02:07 PM
#574
Lexus Fanatic
01-02-22, 02:12 PM
#575
Lexus Fanatic
Part of that is the obsession, which I've mentioned in other posts and threads, of automakers trying to make recent sedans look like coupes. It strongly affects the shape/size and efficiency of the trunk lid.
01-02-22, 02:16 PM
#576
Lexus Fanatic
Hideous
This is nice. And it is properly finished
01-02-22, 02:21 PM
#577
Lexus Fanatic
The Lucid's trunk is very nicely finished, it is just a strange design I totally agree. Still...I'd rather have that than a hatchback.
01-02-22, 02:35 PM
#578
i like the trunk because it makes it more usable than traditional sedan. Putting charging cables in the trunk is something that non-EV companies do, where engineers never owned EV so they are thinking frunk is a gimmick.
I just had a nice 1000 mile trip with my Model 3P (multi point) and i really would have hated it if I had to take my cables from rear trunk under space, and not from the frunk. It would mean i would have to take all the luggage out first. Which would not happen, so I would skip level 2 charging on this trip. Oops.
That is the problem with non-EV makers, they do not have experience of owning EV.
With Tesla, and now Lucid and Rivian, you see them thinking free of constraints of traditional ice platforms. They have huge trunks, frunks, they have flat floors, storage spaces everywhere (check out Rivian, amazing!).
Yes, they will be eventually copied by other car makers, but that is life.
I just had a nice 1000 mile trip with my Model 3P (multi point) and i really would have hated it if I had to take my cables from rear trunk under space, and not from the frunk. It would mean i would have to take all the luggage out first. Which would not happen, so I would skip level 2 charging on this trip. Oops.
That is the problem with non-EV makers, they do not have experience of owning EV.
With Tesla, and now Lucid and Rivian, you see them thinking free of constraints of traditional ice platforms. They have huge trunks, frunks, they have flat floors, storage spaces everywhere (check out Rivian, amazing!).
Yes, they will be eventually copied by other car makers, but that is life.
01-02-22, 02:37 PM
#579
01-02-22, 02:38 PM
#580
Lexus Fanatic
Those are really good points, and something I never thought of either not owning an EV myself.
01-02-22, 02:46 PM
#581
Lexus Fanatic
In general, that's true, but there are some exceptions. Buick, Lincoln, Lexus (1Gen NX excluded), and some other upmarket crossovers have good NVH isolation. The rigidity of some unibody sedans (virtually all sedans are unibody nowadays) can depend on if the rear seats fold down, or, if they do fold down, on what kind of structure supports it. Sedans that have rear seats that don't fold sometimes have more rigidity because they have more of a beam-structure across that area supporting them.
01-02-22, 02:56 PM
#582
Lexus Fanatic
My preference is trunk with fixed (non folding) rear seats.
01-02-22, 03:01 PM
#583
Lexus Champion
I think the Lucid's trunk works on the car. EV's are a new era for cars, and Lucid being a new brand can pull off something a little unique and different than the traditional trunk or hatch.
01-02-22, 03:17 PM
#584
Lexus Fanatic
01-02-22, 03:56 PM
#585
Lexus Champion
In general, that's true, but there are some exceptions. Buick, Lincoln, Lexus (1Gen NX excluded), and some other upmarket crossovers have good NVH isolation. The rigidity of some unibody sedans (virtually all sedans are unibody nowadays) can depend on if the rear seats fold down, or, if they do fold down, on what kind of structure supports it. Sedans that have rear seats that don't fold sometimes have more rigidity because they have more of a beam-structure across that area supporting them.